re: Florida Recruiting - why so anemic to date?

I was laughing at straws and how wrong he's been but ok.

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Yes. Muschamp couldn't outrecruit him coming off a 4 win season.

Muschamp won't outrecruit him this year, either. It's weird how fans of teams with fanbases of lesser teams always chest thump in June without realizing that usually they've blown their wad.

Let's revisit this conversation in a few months when kids are signing LOIs.

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Okay, wait, rather than knee jerking a response let me try to actually understand what you are conveying here.

You're saying Boom will never out-recruit Mullen if things are even ... but may do it with UF coming-off a 4 win season?

I thought that was the entire point of this exchange?

Most are saying Mullen will never out recruit Kirby and might not ever, or rarely, will he out-recruit Tag. Did I read this thread correctly, or not?

I'm not referring-to UF fans and what y'all think ... I'm talking about non-UF fans in this thread.

And what I contended was that Mullen might not ever, or at best rarely, out-recruit Boom. I stated that if he fails to do so it will be Boom that will cause the demise of Mullen fsr faster than UGA or FSU because losses to those two might be acceptable but losing to the hated mUSChamp would be too much for UF fans to handle given the history between the two.

And Boom, if he keeps this staff mostly in tact could very well make a habit of out-recruiting Mullen.

Would that lead to more wins, or not? That's the question because most UF fans seem to think Mullen is great at developing talent.

Now, with regard to your comment about "weird fans of lesser teams" I must assume you are speaking of current teams, and, if so Boom's Gamecocks are not inferior to Mullen's Gators. Boom won last year and will likely be favored pre-season to win this year ... although right now we just do not know what either team will do this year and the game is in The Swamp this year.

UF lost a lot, all of Boom's recruits are now gone.

How well did McElwain recruit? What did he leave for Mullen to develop and work with this coming season?

This season could ne a turning point for both programs, both coaches.

Boom is, without a doubt, proven to be a better recruiter than Mullen ... both may have an equal eye for talent, I dunno. Boom seems to field better defenses. Mullen, offenses.

Boom has a better record against the better competition. Mullen won at MSU but he rarely won games he was not supposed to win and, even then, it was with a once in a lifetime QB at the helm.

Bottom line is that for Mullen to win big at UF he is going to have to not only recruit equal to or better than Kirby and Boom, but also Willie Tag and Pruitt and Ed O and Gus ... and all of those appear to be, at least for now, better recruiters than Mullen historically.

For that matter, with the exception of Pruitt, all of those appear to be equal to or greater than Mullen as developers of talent ... the kind you need to win big games consistently.

That's going to have to be proven even more by Boom this coming season, to see if he really has progressed since his Florida days, but Mullen also has things to prove as HC at UF.

Recruiting is his first test at UF and it is FAR more important there than it was at MSU where he could recruit just well enough to get by with wins against lesser teams. (Notice I did not type "lesser programs" because just about everyone is a lesser program to UF's newfound blue blood status).

Boom will be the one to cause a quicker demise of Mullen than either Kirby or Willie Tag ... because Boom has a head start on Mullen and Boom and SC are not sitting still waiting for Mullen to catch-up.

Unless you are claiming UF will just magically catch-up through some osmosis from UF's recent past glory days? In other words, are you claiming Mullen's mere presence combined with UF's burgeoning tradition and fertile recruiting grounds will automatically guarantee dominance over Boom and SC? Your only worries being Kirby and UGA and Willie Tag at FSU?

Is that what you are claiming?

If so ... hmmmmmm, weird. Because that's not how college football works, especially in the SEC. Just ask Tennessee and, for that matter, take a deeper look at UF's recent fortunes.

Mullen had better take recruiting very very seriously IMHO and given who those above you have remaining on their boards right now, yes, including Boom and SC ... I wouldn't take anything for granted were I you.

Both programs suffered through SPURrier's lazy recruiting habits and UF definitely suffered through Urbie's mismanagement and Boom's young hard-headed impetuousness but I hardly see your claim as valid that SC has an inferior team to UF's right now or, for that matter, an inferior recruiting class in the works. To the contrary ... Mullen and UF has more to worry about than just UGA and FSU at the moment.

However, as you stated, let's revisit this in six months once the upcoming seasons have played-out and kids are signing LOIs during the early signing period.

One thing you may want to note with Mullen is something you will already note Saban and Kirby and Boom taking advantage off ... this early signing period thing. Boom signed a good class again last cycle and, perhaps just as importantly, he enrolled 13 signees early that participated in Spring Drills. Saban and Kirby do the same thing. Boom is lining-up to do it again with this coming class.

Watch closely and see if Mullen signs a decently ranked class that also puts kids in school in January. It appears to make a huge difference and involves a lot of strategy, planning and choosing (sic: targeting) prospects correctly.

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Let me tell you about a school that ranked near or dead last in facilities (when he arrived), education and prestige.

A school that is dead last in win % (in spite of Mullen's 8 win a year average). Source. Academic Source (You're 13th here, but 14th for ESPN

If it wasn't for Mullen's recruiting and capacity as a Head Coach, Moorehead wouldn't have dick -- then you compound that with Ole Miss not being able to recruit like it had been because they're under sanction.

Instead of talking incessant non-stop shite about Mullen, why don't you look at how he built you guys from the ground up and how Ole Miss has taken themselves out of the race for most good players?

Moorehead's lucky as frick that he's going to take an upperclass laden team with new facilities and his #1 in state rival is on sanctions.

So of course he looks lazy, what is he selling at MSU? Their educational prowess? Their rich tradition of never winning jack shite? Their subpar facilities (until Stricklin and Mullen fixed that problem)? Get the frick out of here with this nonsense.

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Y'all act like Mullen is the only one to win at that level at MSU? Does no one remember Jackie Sherrill? It is not freaking impossible to win 8 games a year at MSU.

Also Mullen did great things at this school, but Moorhead is already able to recruit top out of state talent despite those issues you mentioned.

Mullen did not win because of recruiting, he won because he developed talent. Get your head outta your arse and realize that he will not recruit your way to the top. If your expectation for him to be a great recruiter get ready to be disappointed.

From your 247 board I can already see Heavesy is putting in his usual amount of work. Once again AJ Brown is a key story in that he was a lock and Mullen just lazied his way into losing him.

Mullen doesn't recruit well, end of discussion. He can develop the hell outta some players tho, idk if he will have the time to do that at Florida tho.

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Also Mullen did great things at this school, but Moorhead is already able to recruit top out of state talent despite those issues you mentioned.

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It's the honeymoon period for Moorhead. There tends to be a spike for new coaches at their schools the first year. This goes for 95% of new head coaches.

I chose 2005 since Florida fans love to talk about being 12-1 vs Vols

Obviously he would be. We finished 11-2, 11-2, 11-2, 7-6 those years. Compare that to McElwain when we were 3-9, 6-7

Big talk from the school who had Doug Nussmeier (who actually had a worse offense than Muschamp)

It was just as bad the previous two years. And maybe y'all shouldn't recruit thugs who commit crimes