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re: Florida Recruiting - why so anemic to date?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
FSU is like 20 spots ahead of us in recruiting, how the hell is that a bad cycle? Taggart may be goofy to you, but compared to Mullen he’s really not. Mullen is the goofy weird one along with his buddy Hevesy. I don’t understand how you can look passed all the signs that Taggart is whipping Mullen’s arse and just act like it isn’t happening. Even with the recycled tweets and no lunch at there camp they are kicking our staffs arse! Does that not worry you at all?
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:52 pm to GatorBait24
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FSU is like 20 spots ahead of us in recruiting, how the hell is that a bad cycle? Taggart may be goofy to you, but compared to Mullen he’s really not. Mullen is the goofy weird one along with his buddy Hevesy. I don’t understand how you can look passed all the signs that Taggart is whipping Mullen’s arse and just act like it isn’t happening. Even with the recycled tweets and no lunch at there camp they are kicking our staffs arse! Does that not worry you at all?
Judging from his posts he's not living in reality.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:53 pm to GatorBait24
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FSU is like 20 spots ahead of us in recruiting, how the hell is that a bad cycle?
Are you kidding? It's June. WE STILL HAVE TO PLAY FOOTBALL. People don't realize that right around this time last year people were wondering if Kirby could get it done recruiting wise.
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Taggart may be goofy to you, but compared to Mullen he’s really not.
You are fricking crazy, man.
A sub .500 HC with no bowl wins who has had one (single) player drafted third round or higher in eight years vs. 5 bowl wins, winning record with 8 players drafted higher than the third round in nine.
FSU recruits itself, but when recruits see that same lackluster, mediocre bullshite during the season we'll see who comes out on top.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Are you kidding? It's June. WE STILL HAVE TO PLAY FOOTBALL. People don't realize that right around this time last year people were wondering if Kirby could get it done recruiting wise.
Kirby was coming off a top 3 recruiting class this time last year.
I have no clue where you come up with this stuff. Taggart could end up being a bomb, but he's been good with recruits. He pulled off a minor miracle on signing day
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:13 pm to jlnoles79
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Kirby was coming off a top 3 recruiting class this time last year.
Coming off =/= current. Muschamp was coming off of a top 10 recruiting class before he handed the keys over and had the 96th recruiting class the year he was fired.
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I have no clue where you come up with this stuff.
I'll give you some examples:
Giving recruits the shirts from the last year's camp that say "Jimbo Fisher" on the chest.
Telling Trey Sanders to take a visit to Tally when he (Taggart) wasn't even going to be in town.
That goofy arse Mickey Mouse tweet that FSU fans are pretending they wouldn't swarm like flies to shite if Mullen had tweeted it.
These are just some seriously minor examples (the Trey Sanders one is egregious).
Dollars and Criddel ripping down the Florida State flag to show that they committed to Oregon.
https://247sports.com/college/florida/Board/14/Contents/Xavier-Peters-not-expected-to-qualify-for-FSU-118076700
McRae has two busted knees.
Goolsby runs a sub 5 second 40 as a WR.
Cristobal was the good recruiter, Taggart has all kinds of problems.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:13 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I think your glasses are tinted really orange and blue, regardless of whether we catch them or not saying FSU isn’t recruiting well is asinine. Mullen has a huge hill to climb and right now he hanging on for dear life hoping for a good season with a 7-5 roster to bail him out on the trail. When he should be selling these kids on what he already accomplished at MSU. Mullen is not infallible and he’s getting pushed around right now. It could absolutely change but not acknowledging it and acting like it isn’t happening isn’t going to help anything. It didn’t help Mac and it wont help Mullen. We need top 5 classes and we need them now, excuses be damned.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:16 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Cristobal was the good recruiter, Taggart has all kinds of problems.
If Taggart has problems what the hell does Mullen have? Mullen has been on the job longer than he has, and Taggart is recruiting circles around him. How do you not see this?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Cristobal was the good recruiter, Taggart has all kinds of problems.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:20 pm to GatorBait24
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If Taggart has problems what the hell does Mullen have? Mullen has been on the job longer than he has, and Taggart is recruiting circles around him. How do you not see this?
What's really stupid about this is that you either have to admit that recruiting in June matters or it doesn't. Answer me that. Do you think Ole Miss's #1 class in April means jack shite in December?
Tell me how he's recruiting circles around Mullen. What recruits is he leading for? Who has been/is on campus at Florida right now? The depressing part is you don't follow FSU recruiting, the tragedy is that you don't follow Florida recruiting.
Come to Jason Higdon's chat tonight and ask him what he thinks.
https://twitter.com/Jason_Higdon/status/1006618922567774209
Noles Fans invited, too.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:22 pm to jlnoles79
Color me shocked that you don't think inviting 5 stars on campus when you won't be around, taking players with multiple injuries, receivers who are less athletic than LBers, losing a major recruiting battle to Oregon (Egg in your face ) and taking risks on players who won't qualify.
If Xavier Peters doesn't qualify like Newberg thinks, Florida will have had the better recruiting class last year -- even without counting the transfers.
) and taking risks on players who won't qualify. If Xavier Peters doesn't qualify like Newberg thinks, Florida will have had the better recruiting class last year -- even without counting the transfers.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Come to Jason Higdon's chat tonight and ask him what he thinks.
No doubt I'll check out a Gator homer for opinions on FSU recruiting
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:26 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I’m just looking at the ranking my dude, who you’re leading for doesn’t count, how many commitments do we have? They have better players committed and more of them, I’m not sure how else I’m supposed to judge it right now. Recruiting in June doesn’t mean everything but it’s also all we have to judge things on. All these kids are coming on Florida’s campus but not many are commiting. I follow Florida recruiting closely, and nobody left on our board is a sure thing. I don’t understand why you are weighting things that haven’t happened yet heavier than the things that already have. It feels like you are looking for anything to make the case we aren’t doing as bad as the optics look. Maybe if you take a step back remove your orange and blue glasses, you may realize it’s not all rainbows and butterflies in Gainesville. It may get better but it hasn’t yet so let’s not act like it’s inevitable please.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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If Xavier Peters doesn't qualify like Newberg thinks, Florida will have had the better recruiting class last year -- even without counting the transfers.
And we should have seeing how Mullen was on the job almost a month longer, the fact that it’s debatable, and now he’s kicking his arse this year should be cause for concern in my opinion.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:31 pm to GatorBait24
Have you ever heard of the proverb "don't count your chickens before they hatch"? I'm going to assume you have.
That's where I'm going to leave it, because if you're stupid enough to champion/mourn a class before December, you're not worth conversing with. That's it.
Most of the recruits we're chasing aren't going to commit on the spot, Mullen has to fix our reputation.
Expecting him to just swoop in and magically get people to come to Florida and fix a ten year problem in eight months is almost as bad a take as wetting your pants in June.
That's where I'm going to leave it, because if you're stupid enough to champion/mourn a class before December, you're not worth conversing with. That's it.
Most of the recruits we're chasing aren't going to commit on the spot, Mullen has to fix our reputation.
Expecting him to just swoop in and magically get people to come to Florida and fix a ten year problem in eight months is almost as bad a take as wetting your pants in June.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
That’s funny that you’re calling me out for counting chickens. I’m pretty sure you’re the one that is counting your chickens before they hatch, I am simply looking at the data up until this moment. Right now without question Taggart is outperforming Mullen. You are the one talking about all the guys that are going to commit to us that haven’t yet. I’m not worried it is what it is and Mullen will do what he does, I was really just making a point to say, saying FSU isn’t recruiting well is asinine because it is, look at there ranking RIGHT NOW. Not what you think it will be in February. I may not be saying what you want to hear but I urge you to take it into consideration before you blast a rival coach that is making our coach look like a high school coach on the trail right now.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:43 pm to GatorBait24
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Right now without question Taggart is outperforming Mullen.
There was a time when RIGHT NOW was Ole Miss being #1. Again, you fundamentally do not understand the parameters of the debate. I'm saying: Be patient. And this isn't like a McElwain be patient. McElwain's wildest dreams were never close to what Mullen is pulling on campus.
Taggart will have lost their first recruiting battle because he took a bad recruit who Florida knew wouldn't qualify (I'll give you the post if you so desire).
You say: Oh, well, Mullen should win that recruiting battle! He had more time! Without actually looking at the context or circumstances. We're coming off a 4 win season and he's going to have a better class than Taggart -- FSU was averaging 10 wins a season. They have a more recent championship.
So it's fine, man, piss your pants RIGHT NOW because nothing will change before signing day. Mullen has had more recruits, and way more bonds created than Taggart could imagine.
That man went out to California to have his top two targets in their respective positions commit to Oregon THE NEXT DAY.
I look forward to revisiting this conversation in December.This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Dude I hope you are right, I want to outrecruit FSU as much as anyone, I just think you are getting a little ahead of yourself with some bias information that is coming from someone that is telling you what you want to hear. FSU is going to pick up more blue chips we probably will too. It might not be enough to pass them because they are so far ahead at this moment. They aren’t recruiting poorly right now we are according to the ranking. Any silents or anything is just speculation at this point and we will see. If I were you though I wouldn’t be talking to much shite to your FSU buddies because you might be the one with egg on your face at the end of the day. Mullen out performing Taggart is in no way shape or form guaranteed. Taggart may have a losing record overall but there is no question he left three different programs in a better situation than when he got the job. That has to count for something.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 4:01 pm to GatorBait24
You don't know how recruiting is going and you don't know how football goes. I will talk shite to FSU even if we lose 100 times in a row. Tennessee still talks shite to us.
All I know is that FSU has already taken two players who are major risks and we haven't taken a single one. He took Xavier Peters last year and for that it will cost him that solitary "win" that he had against Florida. Again, it's 1 - 0 Mullen.
It has nothing to do with Homerism, I literally gave like seven examples and you've given me none outside of "well we don't have the same amount of recruits...in a month that is entirely inconsequential to how the year ends."
Kirby scares me recruiting wise, but Taggart has done some extremely questionable things these last few months (none of which you addressed).
He missed (majorly) on two recruits trending his way, he asks top tier recruits to visit when he's not there, uses old camp shirts to give to new recruits, took a guy with two busted knees, took a guy that will fail academically. I mean, shite, you think that looks good? If it was Mullen you'd be pissed.
All I know is that FSU has already taken two players who are major risks and we haven't taken a single one. He took Xavier Peters last year and for that it will cost him that solitary "win" that he had against Florida. Again, it's 1 - 0 Mullen.
It has nothing to do with Homerism, I literally gave like seven examples and you've given me none outside of "well we don't have the same amount of recruits...in a month that is entirely inconsequential to how the year ends."
Kirby scares me recruiting wise, but Taggart has done some extremely questionable things these last few months (none of which you addressed).
He missed (majorly) on two recruits trending his way, he asks top tier recruits to visit when he's not there, uses old camp shirts to give to new recruits, took a guy with two busted knees, took a guy that will fail academically. I mean, shite, you think that looks good? If it was Mullen you'd be pissed.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 4:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I can’t do this anymore you win, I was just putting in my .02, you obviously don’t give a damn about anyone’s opinion but your own, so I’ll stop giving mine too ya, it’s just my worthless uniformed opinion anyway according to you.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 4:08 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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You don't know how recruiting is going and you don't know how football goes. I will talk shite to FSU even if we lose 100 times in a row. Tennessee still talks shite to us.
LOL You're ok in my book for that
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