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Posted on 7/7/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 3:34 pm
I hope you all know that there is no way to compare HS seniors against other seniors in the different areas of the country. Different metrics, scouts, and competition makes this a crap shoot. Many 3 stars are the next super stars. Reality is the true judge.
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Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:21 pm to tideohio
Truth.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:25 pm to tideohio
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Many 3 stars are the next super stars. Reality is the true judge.
Well yeah, there are thousands more of them so it's likely there are going to be a ton of 3 stars who are super stars.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 4:41 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
This is true and its the same group of people that rated that candy arse Tommy Brockermeyer a 5* 
Posted on 7/8/23 at 12:10 am to tideohio
This is what I've been trying to explain to kids for years.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 6:26 am to tideohio
No doubt this is correct on a lot of levels. But you can't ignore that more often than not the services get the rankings at least semi-correct. There are a ton of hits and some misses. There will inevitably be some kids that fall through the cracks. But the schools that have to highest recruiting rankings tend to do best during the seasons.
Alabama, Ohio State, LSU and Georgia are examples. They tend to have some of the highest rated recruiting classes in the country and tend to be at or near the top at the end of the season.
To completely dismiss ratings is folly.
Alabama, Ohio State, LSU and Georgia are examples. They tend to have some of the highest rated recruiting classes in the country and tend to be at or near the top at the end of the season.
To completely dismiss ratings is folly.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:21 am to DawgsLife
There seems to be much more correlation on the defensive side where freak athleticism translates to star status in CFB and NFL. Meanwhile, on the offensive side of the ball, there was far less.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 10:28 am to PassingThrough
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There seems to be much more correlation on the defensive side where freak athleticism translates to star status in CFB and NFL. Meanwhile, on the offensive side of the ball, there was far less.
Maybe. I haven't really broken it down and looked at it closely. Either way, the teams with the higher rated classes are typically in the playoffs and in the title race.
The past few years the playoffs have been dominated by:
Alabama
Georgia
Michigan
Ohio State
LSU
Clemson
And it would seem that USCw, Texas, Oregon are about to join them. (Especially after the playoffs expand.)
Clemson seems to be the team that became a power before they started getting top classes.
I agree with people that there will always be some 3* that will outperform their star rating. There will also be some 5* that under perform. There isn't a system in the world that is perfect.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 1:18 pm to tideohio
The dynamic that’s changing is that many of the 5*’s are now making bank. How does that affect a teenager’s willingness to work & be coached?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 1:29 pm to tideohio
I love 3* players that ball out.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:38 am to BevoBucks
This will be a huge factor as a lot of these kids will believe they have reached the pinnacle before ever playing a down of CFB.
There will be a lot of "busts", more than before NIL IMHO...
There will be a lot of "busts", more than before NIL IMHO...
Posted on 7/9/23 at 9:58 am to tideohio
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I hope you all know that there is no way to compare HS seniors against other seniors in the different areas of the country. Different metrics, scouts, and competition makes this a crap shoot. Many 3 stars are the next super stars. Reality is the true judge.
They still use the same formula to rank them that USA today used with the chips.
Recruiting sites are astrology for 50 year old men
Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:28 am to tideohio
Averaged out, 5 stars are more likely to make crazy game-changing plays in big games. I think of Keelee Ringo's interception in the end zone against Tennessee and Jalen Carter's strip-sack in the end zone against Tennessee.
Obviously it's impossible to have a roster of nothing but 5 stars. But if you have enough of them, they definitely come in handy over the course of a season.
Obviously it's impossible to have a roster of nothing but 5 stars. But if you have enough of them, they definitely come in handy over the course of a season.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 12:04 pm to BevoBucks
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The dynamic that’s changing is that many of the 5*’s are now making bank. How does that affect a teenager’s willingness to work & be coached?
They’ve had their asses kissed for so long that you have to get that out of their system.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 12:23 pm to tideohio
It is all about probabilities. 5-star athletes have a higher probability of becoming great than 3-star athletes. Obviously some 3-star guys succeed and some 5-star guys' flop. If 3 out of 5 five-star guys succeed and 1 out of five 3-star guys do then that explains the success of Alabama, Georgia, etc.
Kentucky has to rely on hidden gems to compete and has done moderately well but can't compete with the upper echelon. Josh Allen and Benny Snell were hidden gems, but you simply can't get enough of them at one time.
Basketball has a better chance of three-star talent winning simply because of the numbers plus the early departure of five stars. One three star out of five blows up and you can have a really good team when he is surrounded by decent, experienced players. Football is about numbers.
Kentucky has to rely on hidden gems to compete and has done moderately well but can't compete with the upper echelon. Josh Allen and Benny Snell were hidden gems, but you simply can't get enough of them at one time.
Basketball has a better chance of three-star talent winning simply because of the numbers plus the early departure of five stars. One three star out of five blows up and you can have a really good team when he is surrounded by decent, experienced players. Football is about numbers.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:10 pm to tideohio
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there is no way to compare HS seniors against other seniors in the different areas of the country.
What are you talking about? So much of these rankings are done via measurables at camps that are quite literally comparing people in different areas against each other.
Does a 40 yard dash work differently in California than it does in Georgia?
Does gravity have a greater affect on mass in Oregon than Louisiana?
Posted on 7/9/23 at 1:18 pm to joshnorris14
I think what he is saying is the measurable can be compared, but what makes a great player is the “want to”, the pain threshold, the intelligence to understand the chessboard, and well, the ability to stay healthy. Those things really can’t be measured as well, but are what makes a 3-4 star surpass a 5 star that might have been a better athlete.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:43 pm to tideohio
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I hope you all know that there is no way to compare HS seniors against other seniors in the different areas of the country. Different metrics, scouts, and competition makes this a crap shoot. Many 3 stars are the next super stars. Reality is the true judge.
This is an Alabama fan posting this. The past 15 years tells me he's FOS.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 10:53 pm to tideohio
Quinshon Judkins was rated a 3 star and the #53 RB in the country and #29 player in Alabama.
Offers are usually a better indicator as he had offers from pretty much everyone.
Offers are usually a better indicator as he had offers from pretty much everyone.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 6:40 am to ManBearSharkReb
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Offers are usually a better indicator as he had offers from pretty much everyone.
Even that can be tricky, though, as Georgia sends out 200-300 offers every year. most of the bigger programs do. not all are committable. A ton are sent out just in case a player blows up.
Don't get me wrong. That is not to belittle Judkins at all. Just saying judging by offers is a tricky business, too.
ETA
The average Power 5 program hands out roughly 200 more scholarship offers than it can follow through on during a recruiting cycle, and the numbers game has real-life consequences.
Sports Illustrated
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 6:46 am
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