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re: Will Wade is no Penny Hardaway
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:04 pm to LouisvilleKat
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:04 pm to LouisvilleKat
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He'll have no excuses for his 12 loss AAC season
I am assuming you mean 12 losses overall and not a 6-12 AAC record...
I think they wont live up to expectations either but let's not go overboard and think they'll totally suck now
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:07 pm to kywildcatfanone
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We'll see if he can coach as well as he recruits.
He won't really have to if he keeps recruiting like this. He isn't going to have to live to blue blood standards. His coaching might cost him eventually but it is going to be a long time before that happens if he recruits at this level.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:08 pm to rockiee
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He won't really have to if he keeps recruiting like this. He isn't going to have to live to blue blood standards. His coaching might cost him eventually but it is going to be a long time before that happens if he recruits at this level.
Managing basically a whole new team can be really tough though, he's losing all 5 starters off his current team, plus some others. Will be interesting to see if he manage a bunch of 18 year olds.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:10 pm to thunderbird1100
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Let's also consider Penny took what was a decent Memphis team from last year and did basically nothing better with this past season.
2017-18 Memphis = 21-13, 10-8 AAC, didn't make tourney
2018-19 Memphis = 22-14, 11-7 AAC, also didn't make tourney
They returned 4 starters, and had 5 senior starters on the team this year.
I think you can pretty much always give a coach a wash on their first year. I'll start buying into your thought on Penny if we see some underwhelming results this year.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:13 pm to thunderbird1100
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Managing basically a whole new team can be really tough though, he's losing all 5 starters off his current team, plus some others. Will be interesting to see if he manage a bunch of 18 year olds.
Sure and Cal is one example of a coach that does a good job without getting enough credit for it. I think the point about roster management is much better than coaching though. I assume most are talking about game plans and in game adjustments when referring to coaching. I just don't see being a problem for Penny if he continues to bring the talent in.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:17 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:I could go either way
I am assuming you mean 12 losses overall and not a 6-12 AAC record.
But I did mean overall.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:19 pm to thunderbird1100
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And Memphis fans rail on Wade for cheating to get Watford
what does mempho have to do with ls-who's cheating?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:34 pm to thunderbird1100
quote:Managing a roster full of 18 yr old studs can't be easy. But with the way he's pulling talent, he could just reload with another stud and roll the dice with 'em.
Managing basically a whole new team can be really tough though, he's losing all 5 starters off his current team, plus some others. Will be interesting to see if he manage a bunch of 18 year olds.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:39 pm to RT1941
quote:If they underachieve and he doesn't get multiple first round selections drafted then reloading wont be easy.
Managing a roster full of 18 yr old studs can't be easy. But with the way he's pulling talent, he could just reload with another stud and roll the dice with 'em.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:44 pm to rockiee
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I think you can pretty much always give a coach a wash on their first year. I'll start buying into your thought on Penny if we see some underwhelming results this year.
I mean, maybe if they came into a bad situation, he came into about as good a situation as any 1st year head coach can hope for. A decent team that almost entirely returned and 5 senior starters.
It's 1 thing to take over a team that's like 10-21, 2-16 in conference vs. another that was 21-12, 10-8 in conference...and returned almost everyone.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:45 pm to TOFTR
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With how busy the NCAA is gonna be with Arizona and then LSU, Memphis will have a few more years to keep cheating their balls off before getting chopped too. The money in Memphis is flowing more freely than during the Calipari days. Honestly never seen anything like it
You forgot the other 20 schools that came up in the trial
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:46 pm to Bulldogblitz
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what does mempho have to do with ls-who's cheating?
They are getting all these top notch recruits just cause they want to play for Penny, didn't you hear? Turning down tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to play for Penny for free!
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:46 pm to themicah85
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Out of those 7 commits, only 1 is outside the top 100 and he is the 108th player in the country lol. He isnt even kindve hiding it. Were these kids even alive when Penny Hardway was good at Basketball?
Penny has had AAU teams, middle school and HS championship teams. He has Mike Miller on his staff who just finished his playing career winning a ring with Lebron.
And everyone still wears his shoes.
You're clearly out of touch.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:48 pm to MetryMauler
With the past seasons they’ve had you would think he’s paying players but a majority of the class is from Memphis or right outside. If I were a recruit from the area and had the chance to have Penny and Mike Miller as my coaches plus the chance to bring the program back to what it was in the Cal days there’s no way I’d pass up on that.. and the higher ranked guys from out of state see other high profile guys going there so it’s already appealing! Then you throw the staff in and the fact they play in the fedex forum it’s not a very hard thing to sell
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:53 pm to thunderbird1100
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I mean, maybe if they came into a bad situation, he came into about as good a situation as any 1st year head coach can hope for. A decent team that almost entirely returned and 5 senior starters.
It doesn't just have to do with just the roster outlook. You are talking about a coach setting up everything in the program the way he wants it done in the first year. Especially considering he has never been at this level before. They were a better team than the year before. I could see more of your point if we saw some serious regression but I don't think there is anything there to raise any level of concern in a coach's first year at a program.
Is there reason to expect Penny to be a good college coach after the first year? Nope, just not a ton to read from the first year imo.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:59 pm to themicah85
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Memphis is about as cool as Detroit
This is how I know you've never been here.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 1:59 pm to themicah85
Enjoy Rick Barnes and your S16 exits.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 2:03 pm to thunderbird1100
Tubby loaded his schedules with weak 300+ OOC opponents. Penny played people.
Penny did well with Tubby's weak recruits. Better than Tubby did.
We were not on the NIT bubble under Tubby. In his first season, Penny was an NIT three seed.
Penny did well with Tubby's weak recruits. Better than Tubby did.
We were not on the NIT bubble under Tubby. In his first season, Penny was an NIT three seed.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 2:04 pm to AlonsoWDC
That was another thing. While the record isn't much better under Penny, most of the statistics show a much improved team.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 2:09 pm to AlonsoWDC
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We were not on the NIT bubble under Tubby. In his first season, Penny was an NIT three seed.
I'm not saying Tubby did a good, job, but you had to be a bit disappointed Penny couldn't get you in the tournament conversation with a veteran laden team a bit. Again, not like he took over a bad team whatsoever.
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