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re: Will Herman be Sumlin 2.0 or will he actually see success?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:01 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:01 am to hawgfaninc
I think there are a couple of unknown factors that will shape his chances at success:
1) The retirement of Bob Stoops might create an easier path to the Big 12 title. It really depends on how OU responds to the handoff.
2) Whether or not Tamu pulls the plug on Sumlin and creates a lot of stir with a big name hire.
3) a third is the possible implosion of the Big 12 and the impact that would have on recruits
1) The retirement of Bob Stoops might create an easier path to the Big 12 title. It really depends on how OU responds to the handoff.
2) Whether or not Tamu pulls the plug on Sumlin and creates a lot of stir with a big name hire.
3) a third is the possible implosion of the Big 12 and the impact that would have on recruits
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:02 am to hawgfaninc
one has discipline and the other has little.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:05 am to Cooter Davenport
Correct.
Team Recruiting Rankings for Texas
2009: 6th
2010: 2nd
2011: 4th
2012: 2nd
Team Recruiting Rankings for Texas
2009: 6th
2010: 2nd
2011: 4th
2012: 2nd
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:24 am to BowlJackson
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But literally nobody gives a frick about Arkansas.
Considering you have an obsessive compulsive need to post about us multiple times a day I can see the flaw in your statement.
Then again, you may be right come to think of it. If you are obsessed with us then a nobody does give a frick about Arkansas.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:30 am to tigerbait2010
After this week I don't know if you can really say that Herman is a better recruiter than Sumlin.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:38 am to The Balinese Club
I don't think there is anything wrong with Sumlim recruiting wise. Generally he seems to do OK with that. Perhaps not up to Mack Brown levels of "I signed EVERYONE" but recruiting is not his weak point.
His teams seem to lose focus after the first 5 or 6 games of the season. That is what is doing him in at A&M.
Sumlin fades down the stretch badly, Bert is lazy, Gus is insane, Freeze is a snakeoil salesman... at this point we pretty well know who they are.
His teams seem to lose focus after the first 5 or 6 games of the season. That is what is doing him in at A&M.
Sumlin fades down the stretch badly, Bert is lazy, Gus is insane, Freeze is a snakeoil salesman... at this point we pretty well know who they are.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:56 am to Arksulli
"Sumlin fades down the stretch badly, Bert is lazy, Gus is insane, Freeze is a snakeoil salesman... at this point we pretty well know who they are. "
Now this is something I can agree with
Now this is something I can agree with
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:15 am to hawgfaninc
Texas has problems that no coach alone will be able to solve. It's the entire culture of that place starting with the money people.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:42 am to hawgfaninc
When Herman gets his QB, he will be successful.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:51 am to AshLSU
Herman will have some success just by the nature of where the big12 is at right now. OU will probably be fine with Riley long term, but I think there will be some growing pains. Baylor just lost their best coach in history (by a country mile) although Rhule is a strong replacement.
Really it's Mike Gundy's conference to lose this year, but Herman has shown the ability to take what's on campus and win with it right away, similar to what Sumlin did in '12/13.
My questions about herman are similar to the answers we've gotten on Sumlin. How much will his substance abuse interfere with running a program? What will a team look like after he's got all "his players"? How much of his previous success can really be attributed to him? It's easy to look good under Urban Meyer, and Tony Levine was a great recruiter/talent scout.
IMO Herman may be the most "we're texas" coach they've had in awhile.
When you are trying to isolate the coaching factor, the first thing I look at is what were the relative talent levels at his last few stops compared to teams on their schedule? Houston is an easy school to win at, Ohio State (especially with meyer) is an easy school to win at. His times at ISU and Rice are much more impressive to me.
Really it's Mike Gundy's conference to lose this year, but Herman has shown the ability to take what's on campus and win with it right away, similar to what Sumlin did in '12/13.
My questions about herman are similar to the answers we've gotten on Sumlin. How much will his substance abuse interfere with running a program? What will a team look like after he's got all "his players"? How much of his previous success can really be attributed to him? It's easy to look good under Urban Meyer, and Tony Levine was a great recruiter/talent scout.
IMO Herman may be the most "we're texas" coach they've had in awhile.
When you are trying to isolate the coaching factor, the first thing I look at is what were the relative talent levels at his last few stops compared to teams on their schedule? Houston is an easy school to win at, Ohio State (especially with meyer) is an easy school to win at. His times at ISU and Rice are much more impressive to me.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:40 am to Nguyening
Herman is probably going to be a winner at Texas. He has the recruiting connections in the state and a good offensive mind. I think Herman and Riley will surprise a lot of people this year and we might see a stoops/brown Royal/switzer rivalry between the two teams.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 9:43 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:45 am to The Balinese Club
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After this week I don't know if you can really say that Herman is a better recruiter than Sumlin.
Herman had a better week than Sumlin did on the recruiting trail.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:56 am to Arksulli
It's not that they lose focus. They can't handle adversity.
2014, 5-0, 0-3, 2-2
2015, 5-0, 0-2, 3-2
2016, 6-0, 2-4
The only difference between 8-5 in 2014 vs 2015 and 2016 was the bowl game.
2014, 5-0, 0-3, 2-2
2015, 5-0, 0-2, 3-2
2016, 6-0, 2-4
The only difference between 8-5 in 2014 vs 2015 and 2016 was the bowl game.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 9:57 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:57 am to Aggie_2463
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Three seasons in a row being sub .500, if they win 7+ games the longhorn fans will be insufferable about being "back".
That's what happens when you have at least some semblance of a history.
In terms of recruiting, Longhorn's aren't exactly in a shitty position at this point in the cycle.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:30 am to oman
1 Natl championship in what the last 50 years? By far the most overrated program of all time.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:37 am to Arksulli
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I don't think there is anything wrong with Sumlim recruiting wise. Generally he seems to do OK with that. Perhaps not up to Mack Brown levels of "I signed EVERYONE" but recruiting is not his weak point. His teams seem to lose focus after the first 5 or 6 games of the season. That is what is doing him in at A&M.
Sumlin fades down the stretch badly, Bert is lazy, Gus is insane, Freeze is a snakeoil salesman... at this point we pretty well know who they are.
I agree with all of this EXCEPT the "lose focus". It's not a focus issue, it's a motivational problem. What happens to A&M is that we start off 5-0, 6-0, beat a couple of legitimately good teams on the way, get ranked really high, then play Bama, lose, and it's like Bama crushing their title dreams just makes them collectively say "frick it" and quasi-quit on the season.
Sumlin A&M teams can't deal with adversity. They can't lose and bounce back from it. They aren't mentally tough enough and he doesn't give them anything to play FOR once they aren't in the title hunt anymore.
I'm not sure exactly what it is. Maybe he puts EVERYTHING on winning it all and then they lose to Bama, everyone, him included, checks out when that bubble bursts?
Maybe his whole regime is just so soft and trendy and DJ and barber-shop focused that they just go into a spoiled millennial pout every year when Bama crushes their dream?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:39 am to tigerbait2010
Downvoted for Cannizzaro.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:47 am to hawgfaninc
I told you guys that Tom Herman would make Stoops quit, just didn't realize it would be before he even coached a game.
Aggy is in mega pucker mode right now, too. Talking about firing a black coach who never had a losing season. That racist shite they threw in Texas' face about Charlie Strong is about to be thrown back in their face in spades (no pun intended).
Aggy is $300 million in debt and losing season tickets like crazy. They want all their coaches and administrators fired.
The "we rule this state" schtick was a farce and SEC teams will have to bail them out financially.
Aggy is in mega pucker mode right now, too. Talking about firing a black coach who never had a losing season. That racist shite they threw in Texas' face about Charlie Strong is about to be thrown back in their face in spades (no pun intended).
Aggy is $300 million in debt and losing season tickets like crazy. They want all their coaches and administrators fired.
The "we rule this state" schtick was a farce and SEC teams will have to bail them out financially.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:51 am to texashorn
You're such a fricking retard
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:54 am to texashorn
Why say something as stupid as a first year Texas coach making Bob fricking stoops retire? He owned your program and Is 10x the proven coach Herman is. Why don't you wait and see if your program can beat KANSAS this year before you talk shite about a coach that owned your team and conference the past 18 years.
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