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re: Why will Kirby be any different than Muschamp and Chizik?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:02 am to PorkSammich
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:02 am to PorkSammich
Smart had it easy this year, East is getting more competitive.
I think Muschamp if he ever figures out offense could be on same level as Smart - he is winning games at USCe
Mullen will have Fla better in a hurry
Pruitt is kind of an unknown but I think Tenn will become more talented with his recruiting and better prepared all around
UK has a pulse with Stoops and is not an easy game anymore
Mizzou rebounded nicely under Odom - not sure if he can sustain talent wise though
I think Muschamp if he ever figures out offense could be on same level as Smart - he is winning games at USCe
Mullen will have Fla better in a hurry
Pruitt is kind of an unknown but I think Tenn will become more talented with his recruiting and better prepared all around
UK has a pulse with Stoops and is not an easy game anymore
Mizzou rebounded nicely under Odom - not sure if he can sustain talent wise though
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:03 am to dawgdayafternoon
While Muschamp certainly made his mistakes, the pattern here seems to involve Florida more than Muschamp
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:05 am to nicholastiger
Not sure I agree with any of that
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:05 am to PorkSammich
UG has enough talent, staff appear to be good recruiters. Solid at the QB position going into next year, which will help where they lose a lot of experience.
Next year, they will take a step back, but long term I see Smart being an equal to Mark Richt. Consistent 9-3 to 10-2 seasons. Competing for the SEC East Championship on a regular basis. Good enough for UG fans for a few years, but no Saban for sure.
Not a bad position to be in, looking at it from a Gator fans perspective right now.
Next year, they will take a step back, but long term I see Smart being an equal to Mark Richt. Consistent 9-3 to 10-2 seasons. Competing for the SEC East Championship on a regular basis. Good enough for UG fans for a few years, but no Saban for sure.
Not a bad position to be in, looking at it from a Gator fans perspective right now.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:07 am to CNB
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While Muschamp certainly made his mistakes, the pattern here seems to involve Florida more than Muschamp
I do think Muschamp learned a lot from his time at Florida, but this OC hire is huge for him.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:07 am to CNB
Boom is doing well at South Carolina because he finally has some stability at QB and the expectations of him going in were about as low as possible.
It was damn near impossible for him to live up to the standards set by Spurrier and Urban.
It was damn near impossible for him to live up to the standards set by Spurrier and Urban.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:09 am to dawgdayafternoon
The thing for the other SEC East teams will be getting the recruiting part figured out. They're pretty seriously outgunned right now and likely will be for the next 2-3 years at least.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:09 am to Crowknowsbest
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but this OC hire is huge
It sure is. I'd say his biggest mistake since being here was bringing Roper in the first place.
Now if the next OC comes in and fails, I'll start to believe the Florida fans spouting "it's not the OC"
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:11 am to PorkSammich
Uga is more forgiving than the other schools. They will tolerate at 10 win coaches for years.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:38 am to PorkSammich
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Boom went 11-2 in year 2, went 4-8 the next year and was fired the following season.
Boom inherited a mess at Florida. That's just a fact. And, while everyone agrees he neglected his offenses and made a horrible hire in Fat Charlie and that OLine coach ... he also suffered some pretty bad injury bugs in year three.
He learned some hard lessons at Florida. He's now a much better coach than some seem willing to give him credit for being. He's still got a long ways to go but he's shooting for a nine win season this year, in his second season at SC, and that's saying something considering from where he had to start when he got here with us coming off a three win season.
Recruiting wise Kirby has a much easier path but mUSChamp and staff seem to be making up ground through sheer hard work. Boom is a tireless recruiter and has a good eye for talent and he develops what he signs.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:47 am to scrooster
I think Muschamp has done a good job so far and has South Carolina on a good path at the moment but "making up ground" in recruiting is a bit of a stretch. If anything UGA has been widening the talent gap (at least according to recruiting "experts") with the other teams in the east since Kirby arrived.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:48 am to UFMatt
UFLmatt, you HOPE Smart is not better than Richt, but the talent level is increasing in Athens, and thats a sign that this is just the beginning of winning big.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:48 am to scrooster
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Boom inherited a mess at Florida. That's just a fact.
Add to that, Boom left a mess at Florida. That's just a fact.
Before you get carried away remember that Boom was 11-2 his second year at UF.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:48 am to nicholastiger
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Smart had it easy this year, East is getting more competitive.
Smart beat two out of the three best teams from the West, and didn't play the other one.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:49 am to UFMatt
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Add to that, Boom left a mess at Florida. That's just a fact.
So much of a mess that shark fricker won the East twice. Totally.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:49 am to Rabern57
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Uga is more forgiving than the other schools. They will tolerate at 10 win coaches for years.
Not all that different than AU considering Gus is on a 4 year streak of 3+ losses.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:53 am to UFMatt
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Add to that, Boom left a mess at Florida. That's just a fact.
He left a bit of a mess on offense, but left a top tier defense. McElwaine left the defense average at best, and did not improve the offense while there.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:54 am to djsdawg
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Not all that different than AU considering Gus is on a 4 year streak of 3+ losses.
And just gave him a guaranteed extension, to boot.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:03 am to scrooster
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but mUSChamp and staff seem to be making up ground through sheer hard work. Boom is a tireless recruiter and has a good eye for talent and he develops what he signs.
Muschamp is holding serve at best in recruiting. It is not his fault, he works hard. But his classes are nowhere near what they need to be to get to the top.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:47 am to PorkSammich
I think Smart is a better coach overall than either of those two, but it would be worthwhile to compare the quality of opponents the three 2nd-year HCs faced in their respective seasons:
Chiz 2010 Bowl-bound opponents:
Mississippi State (9-4)
Clemson (6-7)
South Carolina (9-5)
Kentucky (6-7)
Arkansas (10-3)
Louisiana State (11-2)
Georgia (6-7)
Alabama (10-3)
South Carolina (9-5)
Muschamp 2012 Bowl-bound opponents:
Bowling Green State (8-5)
Texas A&M (11-2)
Louisiana State (10-3)
Vanderbilt (9-4)
South Carolina (11-2)
Georgia (12-2)
Louisiana-Lafayette (9-4)
Florida State (12-2)
Smart 2017 Bowl-bound opponents:
Appalachian State (8-4)
Notre Dame (9-3)
Mississippi State (8-4)
Missouri (7-5)
South Carolina (8-4)
Auburn (10-3)
Kentucky (7-5)
Auburn (10-3)
UGa played only three games against opponents with 9 or more wins during the regular season and went 2-1. In contrast, AU in 2010 played five such games and won all of them, and 2012 also UF played five and finished 4-1.
Chiz 2010 Bowl-bound opponents:
Mississippi State (9-4)
Clemson (6-7)
South Carolina (9-5)
Kentucky (6-7)
Arkansas (10-3)
Louisiana State (11-2)
Georgia (6-7)
Alabama (10-3)
South Carolina (9-5)
Muschamp 2012 Bowl-bound opponents:
Bowling Green State (8-5)
Texas A&M (11-2)
Louisiana State (10-3)
Vanderbilt (9-4)
South Carolina (11-2)
Georgia (12-2)
Louisiana-Lafayette (9-4)
Florida State (12-2)
Smart 2017 Bowl-bound opponents:
Appalachian State (8-4)
Notre Dame (9-3)
Mississippi State (8-4)
Missouri (7-5)
South Carolina (8-4)
Auburn (10-3)
Kentucky (7-5)
Auburn (10-3)
UGa played only three games against opponents with 9 or more wins during the regular season and went 2-1. In contrast, AU in 2010 played five such games and won all of them, and 2012 also UF played five and finished 4-1.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 11:50 am
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