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re: Why do people say Notre Dame is always overrated?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:50 am to Colonel Ingus
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:50 am to Colonel Ingus
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Notre dame is the 7th most overrated team since 1989. Slightly less than LSU but slightly more than Nebraska:
Now do the past 20 years, the time frame Diddly proposed.
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:50 am to diddlydawg7
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How is losing games you’re expected to lose being overrated?
You're often considered good enough to be worthy of facing the other playoff teams, and then you consistently lose to those other teams by large margins.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 10:51 am
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:52 am to diddlydawg7
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The Notre Dame media bias hasn’t been a thing in over 20 years.
It was over the top bad during the Charlie Weis years.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:54 am to lockthevaught
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Because they somehow start in top 10 every year yet can rarely win the big game.
This is just false. Are CFP games the only ones that count as big games these days? They beat the #1 team in the country less than 2 years ago and have several wins over teams that finished in the Top 10
2017: Unranked to No. 11
2018: No. 12 to No. 5
2019: No. 9 to No. 12
2020: No. 10 to No. 4
2021: No. 9 to No. 8
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:54 am to Mulkey Man
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I don't think you understand how this works.
Is there one specific way of reaching the conclusion that a team is overrated? The conclusion is subjective. So there is no one way that it works.
I think Notre Dame is consistently ranked up there with teams like Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State and yet when Notre Dame faces the aforementioned teams in a playoff/national championship situation, they consistently lose to those teams by significant margins. In my opinion, that's a sign of an overrated program.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:54 am to diddlydawg7
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They’ve won far more games as underdogs than they’ve lost as favorites these last 5-6 years.
That goes against your argument. A top 10 team being an underdog at the end of regular season is because they were deemed to be overrated. A team that deserves to be in the top 10 every single year would have a winning bowl record.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 10:57 am to Pickle_Weasel
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A top 10 team being an underdog at the end of regular season is because they were deemed to be overrated
Or because they’re playing a team with a higher ranking?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:03 am to diddlydawg7
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They’ve won far more games as underdogs than they’ve lost as favorites these last 5-6 years.
Let's examine that statement:
2021 Fiesta Bowl - Oklahoma State was the underdogs and won.
2020 Rose Bowl - Alabama was the favorite and won.
2019 Camping World Bowl - Notre Dame was favored and won.
2018 Cotton Bowl - Clemson was the favorite and won.
2017 Citrus Bowl - Notre Dame was the underdog and won.
So, in the past 5 years, Notre Dame only one 1 game where they were the underdog. And they lost 1 game where they were favored.
Overrated.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:03 am to lockthevaught
Yet the polls named them the national champ which is BS and should have been punished for losing to Ole Miss.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:03 am to skrayper
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Then they make the playoff/championship game after running through a regular season and immediately gets decimated.
Ok. Because those teams are better. No one is saying otherwise. The fact that they run through the regular season shows that they aren’t overrated. They consistently beat mid level ranked teams and usually lose to Top 5 teams.
That’s perfectly consistent with their usual ranking of 5-15.
Your argument makes no sense. Notre Dame will be ranked like #8 preseason each year, then everyone on here will whine about how overrated they are, then they beat everyone on their schedule, including several ranked teams.
Then they will lose to Alabama or Clemson (which everyone knew they would), finish the year #6 and y’all are all like, “See!!!! They’re so overrated!!!”
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:07 am to diddlydawg7
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then they beat everyone on their schedule
Playing a cupcake schedule and pulling off an upset against a top 10 Big Ten team every now and then....and subsequently getting their arse kicked by SEC squad or Clemson every time screams overrated to me.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:09 am to texag7
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Notre Dame fans were happy when platform shoes left. Tells us all we need to know
Were they?
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NOTRE DAME, Ind. --- The news Brian Kelly is officially leaving Notre Dame to LSU has left many fans and students shocked and disappointed, but they say it won’t change their loyalty to the Fighting Irish next season.
"Couldn’t believe it," said McNeill, a sophomore at Notre Dame.
“Honestly it was super surprising. Obviously we saw the reports earlier in the day, but disappointed to say the least," said Mitchell, a junior at Notre Dame.
Shocked and surprised.
Notre Dame fans react to Brian Kelly departure
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SOUTH BEND, Ind. (WNDU) - As many Irish fans woke up Tuesday morning, many say they are still in shock after learning Brian Kelly is leaving Notre Dame.
“It’s crazy, it still doesn’t feel real,” Luke Lanigan, sophomore at Notre Dame says.
However, most students near campus, like fifth-year Notre Dame student Alejandro Botero, tell 16 News Now they have larger problem with how Kelly left.
“I feel we are all disappointed but it’s more of how it happened than it actually happened,” Botero says.
Local reaction to news Brian Kelly is leaving for LSU
The only surprise about Brian Kelly’s move from Notre Dame to LSU is the public outrage
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:09 am to dchog
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Yet the polls named them the national champ which is BS and should have been punished for losing to Ole Miss.
Exactly, because the media sucks that Irish dick and so desperately wants ND to be up there with the best. The media goes out of their way to prop them up.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:11 am to SidewalkTiger
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Notre Dame fans were happy when platform shoes left. Tells us all we need to know
Stages of grief - denial.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:12 am to Pickle_Weasel
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So, in the past 5 years, Notre Dame only one 1 game where they were the underdog. And they lost 1 game where they were favored. Overrated.
First of all, what you just layed out would mean they’re properly rated.
Second, I guess the regular season doesn’t exist?
2017 Underdog vs USC (W)
2017 favorite vs Miami (L)
2017 favorite vs Stanford (L)
2017 underdog vs LSU (W)
2018 underdog vs Michigan (W)
2018 underdog vs Stanford (W)
2019 favorite vs Michigan (L)
2020 Underdog vs Clemson (W)
2021 favorite vs Okie St (L)
That’s 5 wins as an underdog and 4 losses as a favorite. Looks like I was right.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:13 am to skrayper
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Ranked (14th) LSU defeats an unranked Iowa State
I’ll allow it
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:13 am to lockthevaught
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Playing a cupcake schedule and pulling off an upset against a top 10 Big Ten team every now and then....and subsequently getting their arse kicked by SEC squad or Clemson every time screams overrated to me
2021 Notre Dame Strength of Schedule
3.85 (22nd of 130)
2021 Ole Miss Strength of Schedule
4.05 (21st of 130)
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:14 am to diddlydawg7
Notre Dame's preseason and final AP ranking since the turn of the century
2000 - UR, #15
2001 - #18, UR
2002 - UR, #17
2003 - #20, UR
2004 - UR, UR
2005 - UR, #9
2006 - #2, #17
2007 - UR, UR
2008 - UR, UR
2009 - #23, UR
2010 - UR, UR
2011 - #23, UR
2012 - UR, #4
2013 - #14, #20
2014 - #17, UR
2015 - #11, #11
2016 - #10, UR
2017 - UR, #11
2018 - #12, #5
2019 - #9, #12
2020 - #10, #5
2021 - #9, #8
If anything, Notre Dame has been correctly "rated" the past few seasons.
2000 - UR, #15
2001 - #18, UR
2002 - UR, #17
2003 - #20, UR
2004 - UR, UR
2005 - UR, #9
2006 - #2, #17
2007 - UR, UR
2008 - UR, UR
2009 - #23, UR
2010 - UR, UR
2011 - #23, UR
2012 - UR, #4
2013 - #14, #20
2014 - #17, UR
2015 - #11, #11
2016 - #10, UR
2017 - UR, #11
2018 - #12, #5
2019 - #9, #12
2020 - #10, #5
2021 - #9, #8
If anything, Notre Dame has been correctly "rated" the past few seasons.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:16 am to SidewalkTiger
I have some family at ND. Most of the students wanted him gone and there were literal parties thrown because of it.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 11:18 am to diddlydawg7
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I have some family at ND. Most of the students wanted him gone and there were literal parties thrown because of it.
Yeah, plenty of LSU students wanted Les gone in 2006/2007.
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