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re: Why do folks think we are going to 9 conference games?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:22 am to Cheese Grits
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:22 am to Cheese Grits
Even though this is a shitty troll topic, I do agree with the basic premise.
UGA v GT used to be a good game to watch. Hell, they beat us in Kirby's first year.
Florida FSU used to be, and still could be in the future, a really good game.
Same with SC/Clem.
I sound like a broken record but they simply need to get rid of the bullshite fake rivalries that nobody cares about to get around the rotation faster.
Tamu/SC is a fake rivalry.
Mizzou/Arky is a fake rivalry.
Ole Miss/Vandy is a rivalry nobody cares about including their schools. Ole Miss likes the easy win, but Vandy doesn't care.
The real cross-divs are-
UGA-Aub
UTk-Bama
LSU-UF
There should be no other permanent cross-div rivals. It's ridiculous.
UGA v GT used to be a good game to watch. Hell, they beat us in Kirby's first year.
Florida FSU used to be, and still could be in the future, a really good game.
Same with SC/Clem.
I sound like a broken record but they simply need to get rid of the bullshite fake rivalries that nobody cares about to get around the rotation faster.
Tamu/SC is a fake rivalry.
Mizzou/Arky is a fake rivalry.
Ole Miss/Vandy is a rivalry nobody cares about including their schools. Ole Miss likes the easy win, but Vandy doesn't care.
The real cross-divs are-
UGA-Aub
UTk-Bama
LSU-UF
There should be no other permanent cross-div rivals. It's ridiculous.
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:36 am to Krampus
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Can't wait. The All SEC schedule in 2020 was awesome.
I get TAMU has no long term non conference games but look at 2021
12 of 14 SEC teams that year had 3 or more losses
10 of 14 SEC teams that year had 4 or more losses
With 3 or 4 losses your CFP hope goes through the floor
That year UC had 1 loss and Houston had 2 losses
Michigan + Ohio State + Michigan State had 2 losses
OK State + Baylor + OU had 2 losses
If the PAC and ACC had not imploded it would have been very bad for the SEC come CFP selection day
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The more big games, the better
8-4 will go to 7-5 and the attendance and donors drop
You think UK will be happy dropping LoserVille and the money that game means to UK's coffers?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:41 am to Cheese Grits
The game is changing before our eyes, Grits. Conference will mean a lot more goong forward once all the big names are consoldated in SEC and Big 10. The left-behinds aren't going to compete nationally for much longer. Winning a superconference will carry MUCH more weight than an extra W on the record going forward.
Can't plan for the future based on the concepts of a bygone era, and like it or not, we are witnessing the final breaths of the current CFB era.
Can't plan for the future based on the concepts of a bygone era, and like it or not, we are witnessing the final breaths of the current CFB era.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:42 am to Krampus
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Can't wait. The All SEC schedule in 2020 was awesome. The more big games, the better.
You dropped Miami and added 2 home games in Vanderbilt and Florida. I understand that the Vanderbilt was a close game that you almost lost. But that isn't an upgrade.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:42 am to deeprig9
deep rig, it was not intended as a troll
With all these B1G "sky is falling" threads just wanted to bring back the sanity before we as a conference accept the mediocrity the B1G + PAC + B12 have done for the sake more $$$
SEC has product, the money will come
B1G has eyeballs, but the product declines, and the money will fall
With all these B1G "sky is falling" threads just wanted to bring back the sanity before we as a conference accept the mediocrity the B1G + PAC + B12 have done for the sake more $$$
SEC has product, the money will come
B1G has eyeballs, but the product declines, and the money will fall
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:46 am to Krampus
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Conference will mean a lot more goong forward once all the big names are consoldated in SEC and Big 10
But they aren't yet.
We still have a shitload of subpar teams in the conference. Half of the conference is below average.
Expand when MO Better teams come in. Right now, there are too many afterthoughts in conference.
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Winning a superconference will carry MUCH more weight than an extra W on the record going forward.
Winning a superconference is the same thing whether it is an 8 game schedule or 9. That is a false argument.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:48 am to Cheese Grits
Adding extra conference games in lieu of easy nonconference games means the average SEC team has fewer wins and potentially 1 or 2 fewer SEC bowl teams each season.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:51 am to Gunny Hartman
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Adding extra conference games in lieu of easy nonconference games means the average SEC team has fewer wins and potentially 1 or 2 fewer SEC bowl teams each season.
Yeah. So why don't you get rid of the easy nonconf games and schedule tougher OOC games. Your own AD can fix that. Have you asked?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:52 am to Krampus
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The game is changing before our eyes, Grits. Conference will mean a lot more goong forward once all the big names are consoldated in SEC and Big 10.
This is where I agree to disagree
B1G is expanding with more teams but that will not translate to more money per team as the more mouths you feed, the smaller the food on the plate.
Conference realignment was never about expansion, but contraction. Look to the corporate world or horse racing where fewer companies and fewer tracks carried more of the market share. Look at how many US companies headquartered a firm that manufactured cars in say 1920, then look at how many are left today? I am old but remember how many horse tracks were located across the USA. Then came OTB and TV and most of them are gone.
We had Super conferences a century ago and they broke back up after a single generation. We had issues with paying players a century ago and the POTUS and Congress had to step in with the formation of the NCAA.
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Can't plan for the future based on the concepts of a bygone era
We are right back to where we were 100 years ago. Spanish Flu is now C19. Super Conferences and paying players have returned. Say what you will but history repeats itself over and over and studying the past may be the best indicator of what the long term future will look like.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:54 am to Cheese Grits
9 conference games makes no sense unless it is a 10 member conference. Then you have a round robin for football and a double round robin of 18 for minor sports.....
16 member conference should be 8 game max conference games. 1 annual rival and rotation with no divisions.....
16 member conference should be 8 game max conference games. 1 annual rival and rotation with no divisions.....
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:01 pm to Cheese Grits
Forfeitin' Jimbo already let the cat out of the bag.
We're going to 9 conference games.
We're going to 9 conference games.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:03 pm to Cheese Grits
Nine should happen. Play 4+4 and 1 neutral site in an NFL stadium. Go to ten only if the playoff expands so as not to screw the conference out of multiple playoff teams.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:06 pm to Cheese Grits
I was surprised at the TV numbers of B1G someone posted here a few days ago. I know those people are crazy obsessed with the NFL, much moreso than in the south, but I was surprised at their college football ratings, regionally. In the North, football day is Sunday, and Saturday is for recreation, or so I've been led to believe my whole life, including all the midwest people I know and work with. I have to wonder how fricky all those numbers are.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:12 pm to deeprig9
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Even though this is a shitty troll topic, I do agree with the basic premise.
UGA v GT used to be a good game to watch. Hell, they beat us in Kirby's first year.
Florida FSU used to be, and still could be in the future, a really good game.
Same with SC/Clem.
I sound like a broken record but they simply need to get rid of the bull shite fake rivalries that nobody cares about to get around the rotation faster.
Tamu/SC is a fake rivalry.
Mizzou/Arky is a fake rivalry.
Ole Miss/Vandy is a rivalry nobody cares about including their schools. Ole Miss likes the easy win, but Vandy doesn't care.
The real cross-divs are-
UGA-Aub
UTk-Bama
LSU-UF
There should be no other permanent cross-div rivals. It's ridiculous.
That is kind of where I'm at.
I don't give 2 shits how often we play Tennessee, Missouri, or Mississippi state.
All I care about is GT, Auburn, Florida, and getting Clemson 2-4 times a decade.
I don't view it as a birthright. But I love that we travel to Notre Dame, UCLA, FSU, Ohio St.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:38 pm to deeprig9
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have to wonder how fricky all those numbers are.
There are huge fan bases among the B1Gs top teams. I "feel" in general Midwesterners are not watching full days of CFB, but big bases tuned into their team's games produces a lot of revenue.
Pulled this, which isn't overly surprising. Lists show avg viewership and highlight games over 4 million in viewership. It included streaming #s when available.
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As you peruse these lists, remember that TV viewership can be influenced by a whole bunch of factors, including game time, channel, competitiveness, and what other games are going on at the same time. Outliers can also sway averages, especially in a small sample size like this one.
Ranking the most-watched college football programs in 2021
The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week for a 12-week season.
Ohio State — 5.22M
Michigan — 4.74M
Alabama — 4.64M
Penn State — 3.87M
Georgia — 3.61M
Oklahoma — 3.46M
Auburn — 3.22M (impressive given their year, but a classic IB no doubt skewed the avg)
Michigan State — 2.89M
Notre Dame — 2.84M
Oregon — 2.57M
Wisconsin — 2.41M
Nebraska — 2.29M
Texas — 2.26M
Florida — 2.21M
Arkansas — 2.03M
LSU — 1.90M
Texas A&M — 1.86M
Mississippi — 1.81M
Clemson — 1.74M
Iowa — 1.64M
Purdue — 1.63M
Oklahoma State — 1.58M
Tennessee — 1.51M (trailing Purdue)
Minnesota — 1.28M
Florida State — 1.27M
Indiana — 1.24M
Iowa State — 1.219M
Cincinnati — 1.216M
UCLA — 1.18M
Baylor — 1.16M
Illinois — 1.13M
Southern Cal — 1.11M
Kentucky — 1.08M
Navy — 1.039M
Miami — 1.038M
North Carolina — 1.032M
Utah — 994K
Washington — 985K
Maryland — 971K
West Virginia — 948K
TCU — 907K
BYU — 893K
Mississippi State — 858K
Army — 804K
Texas Tech — 798K
Stanford — 778K
Arizona State — 739K
Northwestern — 716K
Boise State — 657K
Kansas State — 636K
Louisville — 616K
Virginia — 611K
South Carolina — 575K
Pittsburgh — 550K
Kansas — 540K
Wake Forest — 526K
NC State — 525K
Rutgers — 488K
Washington State — 483K
Missouri — 462K (evidence that big markets doesn't always mean more CFB viewers
Georgia Tech — 459K
Virginia Tech — 447K
UCF — 407K
Colorado — 366K
Tulsa — 358K
Tulane — 356K
Arizona — 337K
Louisiana — 334K
Oregon State — 321K
South Florida — 303K
East Carolina — 301K
Air Force — 255K
Appalachian State — 241K
Houston — 232K
Coastal Carolina — 223K
California — 222K
Syracuse — 219K
San Diego State — 198K
Memphis — 193K
Western Michigan — 171K
SMU — 164K
UAB — 163K
Northern Illinois — 163K
Boston College — 156K
Hawaii — 139K
Ohio — 130K
Eastern Michigan — 122K
Buffalo — 119K
Kent State — 117K
Temple — 112.7K
Ball State — 112.6K
Western Kentucky — 97K
Utah State — 91K
Akron — 90K
Marshall — 85K
Nevada — 78K
Duke — 64K
UTEP — 63K (just wait until the SEC bump
Colorado State — 59K
San Jose State — 59K
UTSA — 51.9K
Georgia State — 51.7K
ULM — 50K
Fresno State — 45K
Wyoming — 38K
Vanderbilt — 37K
UNLV — 34K
South Alabama — 26K
New Mexico — 25K
Troy — 24K
The 2021 “4 million club”
Here are all of the games that broke 4 million viewers this season (edited for SEC games only after tOSU and UM):
Ohio State at Michigan — 15.89M
Alabama at Auburn — 10.37M
Georgia at Clemson — 8.87M
Alabama at Texas A&M — 8.33M
Alabama at Florida — 7.86M
Auburn at Penn State — 7.61
Kentucky at Georgia — 6.37M
Georgia at Florida — 6.12M
Georgia at Tennessee — 5.78M
Alabama at Miami — 5.67M
Arkansas at Alabama — 5.46M
LSU at Alabama — 5.00M
Mississippi at Alabama — 4.79M
Tennessee at Alabama — 4.68M
Georgia at Auburn — 4.58M
Texas A&M at Colorado — 4.50M
Texas A&M at Arkansas — 4.07M
There were 34 teams that played in at least one game that cracked 4 million viewers:
8— Alabama
7 — Ohio State
6 — Michigan, Penn State
5 — Georgia
4 — Oklahoma, Wisconsin
3 — Auburn, Michigan State, Nebraska, Texas A&M
2 — Arkansas, Florida, Minnesota, Notre Dame, Oregon, Purdue, Tennessee
1 — Army, Clemson, Colorado, Florida State, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, LSU, Miami, Mississippi, Navy, Oklahoma State, Texas, Utah, Washington, West Virginia
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:41 pm to Cheese Grits
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Do you think the SEC is dumb enough to go to 9 and risk losing
Georgia vs Clemson
Georgia vs Georgia Tech
Florida vs Florida State
Florida vs Miami
Kentucky vs Louisville
Vanderbilt vs Wake Forest
Vanderbilt vs Service Academies
South Carolina vs Clemson
South Carolina vs North Carolina
Auburn vs Clemson
Auburn vs Tulane (3 more wins and Auburn leads the series)
Alabama vs Penn State
Oklahoma vs Nebraska
Missouri vs Kansas
TAMU vs UTEP
Utx vs Kansas
the games in bold have history? Most have not been played in over 10 years. The 3/6 schedule is by far the best option.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:58 pm to Sooner a Reb
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the games in bold have history?
There was some humor inserted in the post
TAMU vs UTEP
Utx vs Kansas
Lots of folks over 40 that remember these games and they write checks
Oklahoma vs Nebraska
Missouri vs Kansas
That leaves ...
Alabama vs Penn State - popular over a period of time
Vanderbilt vs Wake Forest & Service Academies - they need the wins
South Carolina vs North Carolina - they have long histories across multiple sports
So many on here are so quick to destroy the ACC without thinking of the long term consequences. SEC + ACC means the south is controlled by the actual south and regionalism prevails. Better Notre Dame is forced to join the ACC than join the B1G. Better to keep the ACC as a "pair" with the SEC than have it broken and allow the carpetbaggers territory in the South.
Prior to the 2010 realignment the B12 was probably #2 behind the SEC for product and broad content. Then the Blair Report surfaced and the B1G whispered in Nebraska's ear and they got cherry picked only to wither on the vine in the B1G. The B1G's partner in crime whispered in Colorado's ear and they were off to the PAC and have withered there.
The B1G can not improve their product so the only recourse is to destroy the competition. They killed the B12 and now have stabbed at the heart of the PAC. Best way to beat them is for the SEC and ACC to stand firm with each other and use their historic regional rivalries to create product with growing viewer demand.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 1:57 pm to Che Boludo
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Here are all of the games that broke 4 million viewers this season (edited for SEC games only after tOSU and UM):
Ohio State at Michigan — 15.89M
Alabama at Auburn — 10.37M
Georgia at Clemson — 8.87M
Alabama at Texas A&M — 8.33M
Alabama at Florida — 7.86M
Auburn at Penn State — 7.61
Kentucky at Georgia — 6.37M
Georgia at Florida — 6.12M
Georgia at Tennessee — 5.78M
Alabama at Miami — 5.67M
Arkansas at Alabama — 5.46M
LSU at Alabama — 5.00M
Mississippi at Alabama — 4.79M
Tennessee at Alabama — 4.68M
Georgia at Auburn — 4.58M
Texas A&M at Colorado — 4.50M
Texas A&M at Arkansas — 4.07M
This is kind of my point.
4 of the 17 games on the list are OOC matchups (23%).
OOC matchups equal 25% of the regular season. But imagine if teams add a 2nd P5 opponent. Or a 3rd (UGA has done this).
Your AD can only do 1 thing with scheduling. And that is control the OOC matchups. It blows my mind that so many people's knee jerk reaction is to give up their own control of scheduling to the conference president with a mindless rotation where half of the teams are extremely subpar.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:40 pm to Cheese Grits
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Why do folks think we are going to 9 conference games?
I don't think we're going to nine conference games, I think we're going to 10 conference games once the SEC raids the ACC. Warren said yesterday that he wants the B1G to move to 10 conference games. Makes a ton of sense: more money for the conference and why not play each other more often? Nobody, not one of us, is excited to see our team play FCS schools or some G5 school on the other side of the map.
It's going to be a 20 team conference in a few years, and it'll play 10 conference games, for better or worse. I predict we'll end up with four divisions, one permanent cross-divisional rival, and five rotating games. Play everyone within three seasons. It'll look something like this, because $:
Permanent non-divisional rival in parentheses.
West
Missouri (North Carolina)
Arkansas (South Carolina)
Oklahoma (Virginia Tech)
Texas (Clemson)
Texas A&M (LSU)
Gulf
LSU (Texas A&M)
Ole Miss (Vanderbilt)
Miss St (Kentucky)
Alabama (Tennessee)
Auburn (Georgia)
Dixie
Tennessee (Alabama)
Vanderbilt (Ole Miss)
Kentucky (Miss St)
Georgia (Auburn)
Florida (Florida St)
East
South Carolina (Arkansas)
Clemson (Texas)
North Carolina (Missouri)
Virginia Tech (Oklahoma)
Florida St (Florida)
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:57 pm to deeprig9
Because the SEC is going to 9 conference games. Obvious to anyone with a brain.
SEC has 'ample support' for 9-game league slate
SEC has 'ample support' for 9-game league slate
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