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Why did the pac 10 give up?

Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18003 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:12 pm

Serious question

With teams like:

Washington
Oregon
usc
UCLA
Utah
Up and coming Colorado

Why were they no longer viable as a conference?
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
11135 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:18 pm to
They had an "alliance" with the B1G.

LOL.
Posted by boston vol
Lexington-Fayette, KY
Member since Sep 2015
5578 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:18 pm to
Larry Scott and George Kliavkoff completely fricked up their media rights deals.
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:19 pm to
because they were in a bidding war with fubo and the cw for tv rights


which the cw went with the ACC so now we have Dawson's Creek playing at halftime of the FSU vs Clemson game
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

With teams like:



quote:

Washington
Oregon
usc
UCLA


leaving for the BIG10? do you really not know why they gave up?
Posted by PerrillouxToTexas
Member since Sep 2022
5238 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:23 pm to
could not command the TV money because no one except their own small fanbases watch the games. which start at 10pm eastern time.

should've let Texas bring LHN w/ half the Big 12 South in 2010. lucky for us, their leadership had no foresight.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
3100 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:28 pm to
Because they only had 4 brands with any value. The B1G offered them more money and exposure. Being in a national conference puts them in a better place than being in a regional one.
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
11135 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

should've let Texas bring LHN w/ half the Big 12 South in 2010. lucky for us, their leadership had no foresight.
I thought it was Baylor that prevented that from happening.

Something about Baylor alum TX State legislators is what I sorta remember, but that was 14 years ago.
Posted by PerrillouxToTexas
Member since Sep 2022
5238 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Something about Baylor alum TX State legislators


When the SWC died, Texas and TAMU were flirting with the SEC. When Texas governor Ann Richards (Baylor alumn) and Lt. governor Bob Bullock (Texas Tech alum) heard the schools might join, they basically threatened to pull financial support for both of us if Baylor and Texas Tech weren't involved in whatever happened post-SWC.

Thus the Big 12 was born on a foundation of sand, by merging with the Big 8, a conference full of schools who would've rather gone B1G (or in Colorado's case, PAC).

That said, in 2010, I did hear rumblings that Stanford/Cal would veto any deal that included a religious school like Baylor.
Posted by Mark Makr Makek
Austin, TX
Member since Nov 2021
497 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

which the cw went with the ACC so now we have Dawson's Creek playing at halftime of the FSU vs Clemson game



I don't want to wait

For this game to be over
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17984 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:47 pm to
Their conference payouts weren't even competitive with the Big12. What choice did they have?
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18003 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

quote:Washington Oregon usc UCLA

leaving for the BIG10?


do you really not know why they gave up?



I get that,

But why did they leave?


Don’t misunderstand


I think the pac 10 has been seriously overrated for decades
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:50 pm to
If you get it then why are you confused?
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
11135 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

That said, in 2010, I did hear rumblings that Stanford/Cal would veto any deal that included a religious school like Baylor.
And now they get to hang out with BC and Wake.
Posted by bunkerhill
Georgia
Member since Oct 2017
1370 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:57 pm to
As I remember reading about it, the PAC could not get much at all for their TV package. Those folks are just not into college football, like this part of the country.

Something I have a question about is why the big ten scooped up four of them. Their TV ratings are not going to be markedly different. Do these four get a TV share that rivals what the other big ten teams will get? I can't see a UCLA/Minn game drawing any more than a UCLA/Wash St game.

When the SEC added Tex and OK they got teams that have very good TV ratings. Playing SEC teams will get them even higher TV ratings, I believe.
Posted by gamecockhub
Lexington, SC
Member since Sep 2017
366 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

That said, in 2010, I did hear rumblings that Stanford/Cal would veto any deal that included a religious school like Baylor.


And now they run to the ACC with Duke(Methodist & Quaker) and Wake Forest (Baptist). Desperation makes strange bedfellows.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18003 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

If you get it then why are you confused?



Not knowing and being confused


Are to very different things
Posted by 49 to nada
In aggy and gooner heads, rent free
Member since Sep 2023
1162 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 2:25 pm to
It's honestly down to lack of give a frick by most if not all the PAC fanbases. I remember a few years back we played USC in LA and the TV talking heads said that was the first sellout game for USC in years. Oh, and that's in spite of the week before our game being a matchup of two top 5 teams (at the time) in USC vs Stanford. Southern Cal has many Stanford alums, but very few who give two shits about the football team.
Posted by spslayto
Member since Feb 2004
19705 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 2:48 pm to
Should have taken Texas and Oklahoma when they had the chance. Then it would be the surviving conference and the Big 12 would have been finished long ago.
Posted by Mizzeaux
Worshington
Member since Jun 2012
13894 posts
Posted on 2/8/24 at 2:56 pm to
Being a west coaster as a sports fan is definitely the best situation because football Saturdays and Sundays are an all day event, from getting up to going to bed.

However, since the east coast is a bunch of punk bitches that tap out after a couple of games, the west coast games just don't get the full potential audience they could. It's an east coast bias thing that permeates everything, but does make sense.

Since time zones exist, the only way the western schools can be included in the national picture at a real level is to be a part of a nationwide league, and even then they can't bring as much as an east coast schools just based on the day travelling from east to west.

There could probably be a Bama-type legacy program in Bakersfield and they wouldn't have the draw of the actual Alabama just based on half of their games being at night on the west coast while 50% of the people east of the Mississippi won't be awake at the end of the game.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 2:58 pm
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