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Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:44 pm to wmr
Look, the Nickname of Ole Miss is in tribute / honor of the 11thMS Regiment that fought in the Civil War which was largely composed of the students at Ole Miss. So many in fact the University was shut down. They were Americans who fought and died for their country / rights. They ( and only ) broke the Union line at Picketts Charge at Gettysburg. And whats all the BS about Mississippi for. You got LSU, North Carolina, Arkansas who have the same type of references to the Civil War but its only us who catches BS from you dimwits.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:52 pm to 42ndMSReb
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Look, the Nickname of Ole Miss is in tribute / honor of the 11thMS Regiment that fought in the Civil War which was largely composed of the students at Ole Miss. So many in fact the University was shut down. They were Americans who fought and died for their country / rights. They ( and only ) broke the Union line at Picketts Charge at Gettysburg. And whats all the BS about Mississippi for. You got LSU, North Carolina, Arkansas who have the same type of references to the Civil War but its only us who catches BS from you dimwits.
I'm not offering judgment on Ole Miss' promotion of and reverence for its Civil War-era heritage one way or the other. I am merely suggesting it as one of the reasons that their football team has struggled post-integration.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:13 pm to cbree88
Hey we all realize institutional racism failed. Took Ole Miss a while to grasp the concept of integration.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:32 pm to Hogfan13
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Until 1965, they dodged the best teams in the SEC, sans LSU. Once they started playing the better teams in the SEC regularly (namely Alabama) and Vaught left, they became mediocre very quickly and have remained there.
This is not true. Ole Miss played 34 games against Tennessee, 19 games against Alabama, and 26 games against a non-conference but powerful Arkansas prior to 1965. Rebs also played Dan McGugin's Vanderbilt powerhouse 13 times during his tenure in Nashville (he only coached one season in the SEC).
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:27 am to Godawgs4
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“That and nepotism.
Vaught guys kept hiring Vaught guys instead of better qualified people.”
This is the truth about Ole Miss. The Kinard brothers and their ilk destroyed what Vaught built. Vaught wanted Bob Tyler replace himself as HC but the Kinard’s outmaneuvered him to install themselves. Tyler left and a few years later became the HC at State. And everything changed.
Had Tyler been the HC at Ole Miss, they would have dominated State for another 25-30 years and would have won more SEC championships. Instead they have wallowed from good to average to mediocre ever since. In fairness, Ole Miss has had some really good teams here in there over the last fifty years but nothing that has been consistent.
Ole Miss loves a hire "within the family," most of whom were terrible hires.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:47 am to 42ndMSReb
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People here are saying that Ole Miss was all about racist views kinda shite going even into the 80s & 90s. Has anyone ever heard of : Chuckie Mullins " ?
I think the Chuckie Mullins incident...
As tragic as it was...did a lot to begin to change the perceptions about Ole Miss.
I posted about Willie Morris' book. He mostly talked about "perceptions" people had of Ole Miss based on history as well as the image of the school when he wrote it in 1981-82.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:20 am to cbree88
Racism in Mississippi runs deep. It is a small population state anyway but when you narrow that further by not recruiting some of your best athletes, you are begging for mediocrity. Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Steve McNair, and who knows how many more really good players were not seriously recruited by MSU, Ole Miss, or Southern. The boosters and fans would only tolerate a small number of black players on the team and certainly not at QB. By the time Mississippi schools felt their boosters and fans would be ok w having large numbers of black players, they were too far behind other schools. Things change slowly in Mississippi.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:22 am to cbree88
White people?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:27 am to 42ndMSReb
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Look, the Nickname of Ole Miss is in tribute / honor of the 11thMS Regiment that fought in the Civil War which was largely composed of the students at Ole Miss. So many in fact the University was shut down. They were Americans who fought and died for their country / rights. They ( and only ) broke the Union line at Picketts Charge at Gettysburg. And whats all the BS about Mississippi for. You got LSU, North Carolina, Arkansas who have the same type of references to the Civil War but its only us who catches BS from you dimwits.
Acually they were confedrates that fought for the CSA not the USA
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:34 am to rebeloke
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Hey we all realize institutional racism failed. Took Ole Miss a while to grasp the concept of integration.
Mississippi is always reluctant to change and down right obstinate when outsiders point the finger and demand it. Refused to keep up with the times so got left in the dust.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:54 am to Saskwatch
The correct answer is the simplest. They couldn't replace Vaught.
Vaught was a hell of a coach. He coached for 24 years. Went to 15 straight bowl games in an era when going to a bowl game was a major accomplishment.
When he retired, they replaced him with Billy Kinard, he was the first Ole Miss alum to coach them. They won 10 games his first season, then dropped to 5-5. After a 1-2 start in his third year, he was fired and Vaught came back and finished the season.
Cooper was promoted and had a successful season with the upset of Notre Dame, but finished 22-23 overall. Sloan went 20-34. Billy Brewer had a winning record but had the NCAA trouble.
Happening at the same time, and after having nearly 30 years of State being a complete pushover, State was starting to field decent teams. They had a solid team in '74, and the early 80s were great for MSU - which helped them start recruiting better against Ole Miss. Sherrill came in and made State believe they could compete. .
Vaught was a hell of a coach. He coached for 24 years. Went to 15 straight bowl games in an era when going to a bowl game was a major accomplishment.
When he retired, they replaced him with Billy Kinard, he was the first Ole Miss alum to coach them. They won 10 games his first season, then dropped to 5-5. After a 1-2 start in his third year, he was fired and Vaught came back and finished the season.
Cooper was promoted and had a successful season with the upset of Notre Dame, but finished 22-23 overall. Sloan went 20-34. Billy Brewer had a winning record but had the NCAA trouble.
Happening at the same time, and after having nearly 30 years of State being a complete pushover, State was starting to field decent teams. They had a solid team in '74, and the early 80s were great for MSU - which helped them start recruiting better against Ole Miss. Sherrill came in and made State believe they could compete. .
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:05 am to NewBeginnings
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Racism in Mississippi runs deep. It is a small population state anyway but when you narrow that further by not recruiting some of your best athletes, you are begging for mediocrity. Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Steve McNair, and who knows how many more really good players were not seriously recruited by MSU, Ole Miss, or Southern. The boosters and fans would only tolerate a small number of black players on the team and certainly not at QB. By the time Mississippi schools felt their boosters and fans would be ok w having large numbers of black players, they were too far behind other schools. Things change slowly in Mississippi.
While this may be true to a degree. I got the impression that in the 1970s and 1980s that Ole Miss simply had a hard time getting guys to sign with them.
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