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Posted on 4/5/18 at 2:23 pm to cardboardboxer
He had too many fatasses on the Oline, Fast pace team
would score quick, then the fatasses would have to go back out, when the 4th quarter came around they were too
tire to fart.
would score quick, then the fatasses would have to go back out, when the 4th quarter came around they were too
tire to fart.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 3:32 pm to cardboardboxer
It's an interesting question, even though it's been discussed ad nauseam. Everyone was curious how well his offense would work at Arkansas and in the SEC.
To be successful here, I think he needed to sign top-15 classes and hire good assistants. In 2015, he seemed on path to accomplishing all that, but it all just crumbled when Pittman left, and although he didn't want Pittman to leave, I think Bielema had much to do with it. Firing Chaney was probably part of it.
After that point, everything just spiraled downhill. I'm not all sure why, but attitudes changed across the board, imo.
To be successful here, I think he needed to sign top-15 classes and hire good assistants. In 2015, he seemed on path to accomplishing all that, but it all just crumbled when Pittman left, and although he didn't want Pittman to leave, I think Bielema had much to do with it. Firing Chaney was probably part of it.
After that point, everything just spiraled downhill. I'm not all sure why, but attitudes changed across the board, imo.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 3:35 pm to cardboardboxer
Recruiting mainly. He ignored Texas and focused on Florida and the midwest for some unknown fricking reason. He also forgot to recruit offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd seasons which really fricked us over.
And a few atrocious coaching hires like Kurt Anderson (OL), Rory Segrest (DL) and RObb Smith (DC) that destroyed development.
And a few atrocious coaching hires like Kurt Anderson (OL), Rory Segrest (DL) and RObb Smith (DC) that destroyed development.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 3:58 pm to The_Joker
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Recruiting mainly. He ignored Texas and focused on Florida and the midwest for some unknown fricking reason
He was a Midwest coach. He hired Midwest coaches. He recruited the Midwest even though the only team from the Midwestern area we play is Missouri.
He'd probably do quite well at Iowa.
In the SEC with its win at all costs tradition and with Arkansas needing to not only hold down every recruit in state but to hit Texas and La. for other players... he wasn't going to cut it.
Bielema was the living embodiment of the Peter Principle in college football. He did well at everything until he was hired to a job that he wasn't able to do.
Not everyone can be a top level SEC coach. Even if Morris doesn't win a ton of games, and I suspect it will be a year or two before we know whether he can, his ties to the area will leave the program in better shape then Bert did.
You can be a very good coach in every football conference in the land and have success. But you have to be a certain type of coach to win in the SEC.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 4:08 pm to Arksulli
So much ignorance in this thread.
It's basically this, but it wasn't about trying to make bodybuilders, it was a general lack of conditioning across the board. Our teams were to heavy (fat) and way to slow for this league. He actually got some good recruits, but he didn't understand the SEC mentality of power and speed.. speed and then some more speed.. with power.
If your players aren't ready for that, then it doesn't matter what else you do you will lose to everybody.
A good example of this is Alex Collins.. 5 star running back who was great at Arkansas.. but look at what he is doing for the Ravens now that he has a coach who is getting it done. Alex looks 5x faster out running NFL caliber players while at Arkansas he didn't out run anybody.
Coach showed up in flip flops everyday, that should also tell you what you need to know.
It's not recruiting, it's not facilities, in short it's not Arkansas.. we just had a coach that was simply out of his league.
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Strength and conditioning was a big reason for his failure imo. They were trying to make the entire team bodybuilders.
It's basically this, but it wasn't about trying to make bodybuilders, it was a general lack of conditioning across the board. Our teams were to heavy (fat) and way to slow for this league. He actually got some good recruits, but he didn't understand the SEC mentality of power and speed.. speed and then some more speed.. with power.
If your players aren't ready for that, then it doesn't matter what else you do you will lose to everybody.
A good example of this is Alex Collins.. 5 star running back who was great at Arkansas.. but look at what he is doing for the Ravens now that he has a coach who is getting it done. Alex looks 5x faster out running NFL caliber players while at Arkansas he didn't out run anybody.
Coach showed up in flip flops everyday, that should also tell you what you need to know.
It's not recruiting, it's not facilities, in short it's not Arkansas.. we just had a coach that was simply out of his league.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 4:10 pm to Hellmet
And let's not forget a AD that didn't take winning seriously.. we took care of him to.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:31 pm to cardboardboxer
It’s because he down graded jobs and went to a better conference. He was a horrible fit at Arkansas. They need a Gus or Mullen type coach . Morris is a much better hire then Bert.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:39 pm to GenesChin
quote:This is the real answer. Bert was given the keys to Alvarez's ride and claimed all the success as his own. He left Wisconsin and they didn't skip a beat. Bert's recruiting was fine at Arkansas by our own standards, but he was never a great coach. The hire was fool's gold from the start.
Turns out Barry Alvarez is the man behind the curtain orchestrating all the success in Wisconsin
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:43 pm to Drewbie
Bert still has that lifetime achievement award from Golden Corral. No one can take that away from him. (Not until the divorce, anyway.)
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:46 pm to cardboardboxer
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Why did Bert fail?
The human skeletal infrastructure was simply not designed to hold and/or carry that much load around....
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:49 pm to cardboardboxer
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Why did Bert fail?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:52 pm to Cheese Grits
In a more serious vein, he's a guy that had no margin for error when arriving, and had his key pieces walk out the door when he could least afford them to do so.
When Kirkland and Collins left early, it removed his feature back and his planned LT for protecting a developing young passer; Skipper was never a true LT, so it meant playing his OL with a flip flopped handicap-- his natural RT/RG was playing LT, his natural LG was playing RT, and everything else cascaded into an abomination up front.
Without the ability to control the line of scrimmage, his team needed a dominant back-- and while it wasn't that hard for him to get serviceable backs, his best option post-Collins broke his neck, and was virtually impossible to plan around/build around with any consistency, in RW3. Yes, he deserves all the credit in the world for getting back, but trying to sort out a backfield while not knowing if your feature back was going to be able to play was hard.
This lead to situational over-dependence on the pass, and with a makeshift OL, Austin Allen played very little at full health, dooming the last chance his teams had.
Overall, he has no one to blame for himself; a little more recruiting and player development, and maybe things turn out differently.
When Kirkland and Collins left early, it removed his feature back and his planned LT for protecting a developing young passer; Skipper was never a true LT, so it meant playing his OL with a flip flopped handicap-- his natural RT/RG was playing LT, his natural LG was playing RT, and everything else cascaded into an abomination up front.
Without the ability to control the line of scrimmage, his team needed a dominant back-- and while it wasn't that hard for him to get serviceable backs, his best option post-Collins broke his neck, and was virtually impossible to plan around/build around with any consistency, in RW3. Yes, he deserves all the credit in the world for getting back, but trying to sort out a backfield while not knowing if your feature back was going to be able to play was hard.
This lead to situational over-dependence on the pass, and with a makeshift OL, Austin Allen played very little at full health, dooming the last chance his teams had.
Overall, he has no one to blame for himself; a little more recruiting and player development, and maybe things turn out differently.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 12:15 am to Hellmet
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we just had a coach that was simply out of his league.
Pretty much my thinking also. He built his resume on a down time in the B1G. His coaching ability was just outmatched in this league.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 12:24 am to cardboardboxer
Well it was wet out and I think his shoes...ohhhh...why did he fail. Never mind.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 12:57 am to cardboardboxer
Bobby Petrino had Arkansas ranked #3 in late November. Recruiting was not the issue. Bert's players didn't progress, in fact they often regressed. You can recruit nothing but Blue Chippers but if you don't coach them to reach their full potential, then they'll max out as freshmen or sophomores.
He just never realized that the SEC is about defense first and then having a balanced offense. Vandy almost always has a stout D even when their offense struggles and Arkansas under Bert never had a great D. So the pressure wqs always on the offense, for the most part.
He just never realized that the SEC is about defense first and then having a balanced offense. Vandy almost always has a stout D even when their offense struggles and Arkansas under Bert never had a great D. So the pressure wqs always on the offense, for the most part.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 1:45 am to cardboardboxer
Because Arkansas is garbage
Posted on 4/6/18 at 10:49 am to Poker Dough
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Because Arkansas is garbage
Didn't seem to be a problem for
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Bobby Petrino
Who
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had Arkansas ranked #3 in late November.
Hell even Nutt went to Atlanta more than once
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