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re: Why are some Alabama fans behaving like massive hypocrites?

Posted on 3/13/23 at 5:13 pm to
Posted by Kashmir
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 5:13 pm to
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SidewalkTiger

Posted by Foots51
Salem. Al
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:27 pm to
Kelly, like Miller, wasn't charged with anything because he broke no laws. Miller has been a fully cooperating witness according to the DA's office.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:28 pm to
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Kelly, like Miller, wasn't charged with anything because he broke no laws. Miller has been a fully cooperating witness according to the DA's office.


So was Kelly.

Yet Bammers say Kelly killed someone and cry if anyone says anything bad about Miller.


Posted by Foots51
Salem. Al
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:38 pm to
I think Bama fans rightly feel that Kelly bears more responsibility for that kid's death because he was the one with to power to shut down practice or to tell the kid to stop filming. There is no indication at this point that Miller knew what was about to take place. (If he did, I doubt if he would have waited around and taken 2 bullets through his windshield.) That's one of the main reasons the DA has not made any charges. People are free to assume whatever they want to... the DA has to prove a case.
Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:50 pm to
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I think Bama fans rightly feel that Kelly bears more responsibility for that kid's death because he was the one with to power to shut down practice or to tell the kid to stop filming


It is a fair point that Kelly was in a position of power and obviously could have moved practice indoors.

But as I've already posted, per Notre Dame's internal report nobody reporting to Kelly (they had a process in place for reviewing weather conditions) told him that it was unsafe to practice outdoors that day.

Thus the university was cited and fined (by Indiana OSHA) and Kelly was not personally found liable in any way.

But if we want to play that game of second guessing those in power, I guess we could call into question why Nate Oats didn't have more restrictions on his players and let them out on the town with guns. Surely we could say the same about Kelly and Malik Nabers. Just how many gun-toting ganstas are running wild across the SEC waiting for an intersection with the wrong place and wrong time? We may never know. I blame Mark Richt for losing control.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:56 pm to
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I think Bama fans rightly feel that Kelly bears more responsibility for that kid's death because he was the one with to power to shut down practice or to tell the kid to stop filming.


It's very odd to me that Bama fans think a head coach is monitoring and supervising the student video crew.

In most cases, they don't even know those kids.
Posted by qman91
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:57 pm to
Yea and LSU fans aren't tho
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52493 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:58 pm to
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Yea and LSU fans aren't tho


Whataboutism
Posted by Foots51
Salem. Al
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:15 pm to
I would agree with you that a bunch of bad decisions were made. When you mix alcohol, firearms, testosterone and youthful immaturity, bad things are likely to happen. I wonder how many 2nd Amendment enthusiasts (of which I am one) would be ok with the University trying to say to all of its students, "You are not allowed to possess a handgun even if you are not on campus or at a university related event". I think that would be impossible to enforce and most likely unconstitutional.
Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
Member since Sep 2011
21506 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:24 pm to
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University trying to say to all of its students


Not all the students.

Just the ones under the care of multi-million dollar coaches who some insist are accountable for all actions that occur on their watch.

On a more serious note, it's not unheard of at all for coaches to put some fairly serious restrictions on the student athletes in their care. Or at least they used to back in the days when players had less power long before the transfer portal. Saban's pleas to his players to stay away from Uncle Tommy, the King of COVID, resonated with me... along with him waxing on about how you have to persuade players these days on why they should do this or that when in his day you either did it or your arse got cut.

What were we talking about?
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
22091 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 7:31 pm to
Yet another stupid thread by the dumbest poster here.


Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:05 pm to
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completely agree with you.

Anyone who is supporting one statement and not the other is a hypocrite.


Good to hear you're behind us playing Brandon then.

Since you've been Brian Kelly's number one defender on here for a year now.
Posted by Foots51
Salem. Al
Member since Sep 2022
185 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 1:42 pm to
Then do you think that coaches are monitoring student/athletes who live off campus and act like normal college students by going to the strip late at night?
Look, I get that a more mature person (I'm 71) would basically become a hermit to protect their top 5 position in the draft and lock down some righteous money but we're talking about a college freshman. I'd hate to go back and view my decision making from my freshman year.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8137 posts
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:07 pm to
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Personally, I'd say old dude should have simply climbed off when it got too windy. Terrible accident, but I'm not sure it rises to the level of criminal.

It's hard to claim a football coach shouldn't have forced him to get down, though, and Brian Kelly was the head football coach so he holds the ultimate responsibility for that. Not sure if the parents sued, but he and the University are lucky if not.


This is completely ignorant. On all sides. Not only for the Notre Dame videographer's death but also for the shooting death in Tuscaloosa.

Neither Brian Kelly, nor Nick Saban nor Kirby Smart could likely tell you the name of the kid doing their video work. All 3 run/ran multi million dollar program's with a hundred players, and over a hundred coaches, analysts, trainers, support staff.

If that head coach isn't delegating dozens of small tasks a day, he isn't a successful head coach. Someone likely fricked up a delegated responsibility and that frick up led to a kid dying in a weather related accident.

At Alabama, Nate Oats is doing the same thing on a smaller scale. It is not Nate Oats fault that Brandon Miller likely fricked up in making a decision which directly led to a shooting death.

While tragic, what's ridiculous is the individuals that are being blamed for two deaths were much closer to the situation than any of us, and it has impacted their lives much more than ours, and it is them that have to suffer thru a lifetime of regretting not doing things differently.

But a few assholes on here (on all sides) have to WIN THE INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD TODAY FOR THEIR SCHOOL and post stupid asinine shite about events they know nothing or truly care about.
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