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re: Why are some Alabama fans behaving like massive hypocrites?

Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

You know if you wait for the facts during the trial, you won't have to speculate.


Even Miller's attorney does not dispute the gun was in Miller's car so we don't need to wait for trial as it's very well established that the gun got to the scene because Miller transported it there (unknowingly per his attorney).

Miller's attorney releases statement
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 2:16 pm
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36033 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:18 pm to
So driving around with a gun is illegal, irresponsible, and/ or morally wrong now?

Better lock up half the state of Alabama.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 2:21 pm
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:19 pm to
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I don’t have to speculate. Police have already stated Miller drove the gun to the murder scene.



Doesn't explain or prove intent, or motive. Take that into a court of law with you.
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6770 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:22 pm to
If the point of this thread is to highlight the fact that some Alabama fans and you and most other LSU fans are hypocrites, then I agree with you.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36033 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:24 pm to
The funny thing is, the post I made about Kelly that he referenced was to point out a LSU fan being a hypocrite about the Hugh Freeze hire,

He went back 4 months to find it, but left that little detail out.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52493 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:29 pm to
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The funny thing is, the post I made about Kelly that he referenced was to point out a LSU fan being a hypocrite about the Hugh Freeze hire


How was the LSU being a hypocrite?

Everything he said was factual.

Your statement was not factual.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52493 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:30 pm to
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If the point of this thread is to highlight the fact that some Alabama fans and you and most other LSU fans are hypocrites, then I agree with you.


I've never said Miller was guilty of anything.

I certainly have never said he killed anyone.
Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
Member since Sep 2011
21506 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:31 pm to
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The head football coach is not responsible for the actions or safety of the student video crew.

Safety at a practice is the responsibility of the team trainer and in that specific case, the video coordinator.


I disagree. As head of the football team, making sure it was safe to practice outside and also safe to be filming in that scissor lift (done solely for the benefit of Kelly and his football team) was absolutely Kelly's ultimate responsibility.

But (and this is important) I do see this in Notre Dame's internal report:

quote:

The Investigation found that Declan checked the weather before practice via weather.gov
and, from that webpage, accessed the text of the wind warning. The warning indicated the
possibility of gusts of up to 60 mph. Klunder, Collins, and Russ did not recall seeing the wind
warning when they checked the weather before practice nor accessing the details of that warning.

Their focus was the reported wind conditions.
Because Collins did not see winds over 35 mph, he did not relay any weather information
to the coaching staff. If he had read reports of actual winds over 35 mph close to the time of
practice, he would have informed Klunder. Ultimately, no one—not Collins, Klunder, nor
Russ—told Kelly or any coach that practice should be held indoors or that the lifts should not be
used.




In other words, the people Kelly depended on to tell him whether it was safe to practice told him it was safe to practice. Nowhere in the report does it say that Kelly overruled them.

They had moved practice indoors earlier in the week. This time the wind gusts caught them by surprise. They missed the warning from the NWS.

By the way, this wasn't even the first time such an incident occurred (not at Notre Dame) but it was the first time someone died that I know of:
LINK

All of this is interesting but does nothing to change the point of the OP.

Some of y'all thought Kelly should be arrested and now you get your panties in a wad about similar knee-jerk reactions to the news that Brandon Miller transported the gun to the murder scene.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 2:33 pm
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36033 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:32 pm to
Kelly was partially responsible for the death of that kid. I'll take back the part saying he should have been arrested. But held responsible, absolutely.

He is responsible for the safety of the people involved in his practices. He may not be the only one responsible, but it falls on him as well for sure.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 2:34 pm
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6770 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:34 pm to
Yeah this sidewalk guy has never been smart. He’s really emotionally invested and unstable on this Miller situation, while also weirdly claiming he’s “fairly impartial on the matter.” I can’t imagine caring this much about any issue related to LSU (or Alabama for that matter).

Regarding your post, I also chuckled that he went back 4 months to find a post that he felt was hypocritical, used that to make some grandiose claim about a whole fan base, and in doing so really just exposed LSU fans for being hypocrites. Just a weird and pointless angle.
Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
Member since Sep 2011
21506 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

If the point of this thread is to highlight the fact that some Alabama fans and you and most other LSU fans are hypocrites, then I agree with you.


Everyone is a hypocrite, sometimes.

I think it's in the Gospel somewhere.

/thread
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52493 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

Kelly was partially responsible for the death of that kid. I'll take back the part saying he should have been arrested. But held responsible, absolutely.

He is responsible for the safety of the people involved in his practices. He may not be the only one responsible, but it falls on him as well for sure.


He was never even implicated in any wrongdoing.

That seems to be the Bammer excuse for Miller.


Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24983 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

Who hires them? I mean if the president claims responsibility, you don't think Kelly is responsible as well? Ok....


The video staff are employees of the university and the athletic department, not football program or its head coach.

That’s why the president took responsibility.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52493 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:41 pm to
quote:

Some of y'all thought Kelly should be arrested and now you get your panties in a wad about similar knee-jerk reactions to the news that Brandon Miller transported the gun to the murder scene.


Yet they can't see how this is hypocritical.

Wild times.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36033 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:44 pm to
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He was never even implicated in any wrongdoing.

That seems to be the Bammer excuse for Miller.


Implicated by criminal authorities?

No one was in his death. Not specifically anyway, just the university as a whole was found responsible.

Implicated by the media? Oh hell yeah Brian Kelly was implicated.

This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 2:48 pm
Posted by ColdTurkey
Where the Buffalo roam...
Member since Nov 2019
7571 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:46 pm to
Because they’re fricking trash dude. This is not news.
Posted by mbogo
Member since Oct 2012
2543 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:48 pm to
In case it never occurred to you...we're all hypocrites.
Posted by BrerTiger
Valley of the Long Grey Cloud
Member since Sep 2011
21506 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

In case it never occurred to you...we're all hypocrites.


well, some people have trouble admitting that
Posted by thatthang
Member since Jan 2012
6770 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

I've never said Miller was guilty of anything.


I’d be moderately surprised if this is true based on how emotionally vested you are in this issue but I’ll take your word as I don’t care enough to check.

quote:

I certainly have never said he (Miller) killed anyone.


Nor have I ever even referenced the Kelly incident until this very moment, yet across this entire thread you imply that I have when you say blanket shite like this:

quote:

They (Bammers) also say Brian Kelly killed a kid.


And this is the kind of stuff that makes you a hypocrite, as well as a person who clearly is not accustomed to using written language to communicate in a precise manner.
Posted by Volsfan82169
Spring Hill, TN
Member since Aug 2016
2931 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:04 pm to
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Doesn't explain or prove intent, or motive. Take that into a court of law with you.


Didn’t say it did. I was responding to the one that said he had literally nothing to do with it. He did bring the murder weapon to the scene. And I take him at his word that is was without knowledge of what was going down.

I haven’t seen anything that rises to the level of criminal activity on his part (that’s assuming his story is the truth) But that lady is likely alive if that gun isn’t brought to the scene by Miller.
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