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Why are 90% of OCs too stupid to understand the basics of football?

Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:10 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:10 pm
4 and 1 and you're in the shotgun? You should be fired immediately whether you make it or not.
Posted by StansberryRules
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:12 pm to
The problem at this point is a lot of quarterbacks have played their entire career and never been under center.

I sometimes see these guys line up under center and they fumble the snap like half the time.
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:12 pm to
Milroe would have taken it to the boundary for a 3 yard loss.
Posted by Marktastic86
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:12 pm to
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4 and 1 and you're in the shotgun? You should be fired immediately whether you make it or not.


They do it in the NFL now too.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:14 pm to
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4 and 1 and you're in the shotgun? You should be fired immediately whether you make it or not.

I posted it in the game thread.

It should be written into a coach's contract. If you go for 4th and less than a yard out of the shotgun and fail to convert ... you should suffer either a major monetary penalty or resign or be fired.
Posted by CharlotteSooner
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:14 pm to
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Milroe would have taken it to the boundary for a 3 yard loss.


Can confirm
Posted by carguymatt
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:16 pm to
I've never liked the ball going backward 5 yards before it can go forward 5 yards unless they are going to throw it on that short distance. Some teams don't practice under center though, some QB's don't like it can came up through high school in the shotgun only.
Posted by UltimaParadox
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:17 pm to


You should be under center but I guess if you never practice it... I could almost see the argument. But then again you should be practicing it
Posted by Opry
Member since Oct 2023
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:18 pm to
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They do it in the NFL now too.
Stop talking.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:20 pm to
Not only are you snapping the ball 5-6 yds deep, your RB is waiting on his heels to be handed the ball.
Posted by WaterLink
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:20 pm to
quote:

The problem at this point is a lot of quarterbacks have played their entire career and never been under center.

I sometimes see these guys line up under center and they fumble the snap like half the time.


That feeling when you suddenly miss the toss dive from the I
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:22 pm to
Yeah if the problem is QBs don't practice under center at least have a pistol formation so the back has a little momentum
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:25 pm to
Heard a interview of Troy Aikman while on a project in NY. Discussion was on why so difficult to score for NFL teams from the 1 or 2 yardline? This was about 10 years ago.
Aikman said that his Dallas team would lineup under center, linemen would fire out, he'd hand off to Emmitt Smith and they'd have a TD. Said that currently it's truly difficult to draft linemen that can run block like his teams could. From high school and after, blocking is focused on pass blocking. This is why you see QBs in shotgun even on obvious running downs. It's not the OC's play calling so much as it's what they have to work with.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 7:28 pm
Posted by Clark14
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:28 pm to
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The problem at this point is a lot of quarterbacks have played their entire career and never been under center. I sometimes see these guys line up under center and they fumble the snap like half the time.


I remember a qb we were recruiting years ago, don’t remember who it was, but his only drawback was he’d have to learn how to take a snap under center because he had never done. I’d not heard of that happening before.
Posted by burreauxsballz
Member since Jan 2022
1078 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:28 pm to
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Said that currently it's truly difficult to draft linemen that can run block like his teams could. From high school and after, blocking is focused on pass blocking.

Yep this, to me, has been one of the biggest changes to the way football is currently played. Almost every offensive lineman recruit, even blue chips, are coached pretty young in pass blocking and the drop off to run blocking is pretty big. It’s funny because it used to be the exact opposite, especially in college.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 7:31 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:30 pm to
I'm convinced there's not a single blocking sled anywhere in Tuscaloosa.
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
432 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:35 pm to
The rules have evolved to promote passing. This is the game today. Used to be that your best athlete was the running back or maybe the QB. Currently the best high school athlete wants to be a receiver.
When was the last time you saw the I formation with a real fullback and Ricky Williams or Earl Campbell type running back? Those guys don't exist anymore.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 7:38 pm
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

The problem at this point is a lot of quarterbacks have played their entire career and never been under center. I sometimes see these guys line up under center and they fumble the snap like half the time.


This is correct. Also include centers.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:46 pm to
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When was the last time you saw the I formation with a real fullback and Ricky Williams or Earl Campbell type running back?

Those guys were 230-240 ... Earl, especially, was playing when he was as big as most DLinemen.

You also never see the pitch sweep, student body left and right, anymore.

The game changed when we started seeing 250 pd LBs and 260 pd DEs that run 4.6 40s. I call it the Levon Kirkland era. Those guys can run sideline to sideline AND plug holes.

Still ... a QB sneak from under center is a thing of beauty when it happens these days. But you gotta have OLinemen that are able to drive ... and that's a rarity these days.

Some of Saban's teams could do it but these days it just doesn't pay to even practice it apparently.

Come to think of it Urbie/Mullen did it at Florida with Tebow ... and that led to the pop pass as well, with Tebow jumping up.

Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
14021 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 7:48 pm to
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