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re: Who's the 3rd best active coach in college football?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:51 am to panhandlebama
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:51 am to panhandlebama
Eh i wouldn’t necessarily put Smart over Dabo. Smart currently has the better team and the better program last 2-3 years but that doesn’t make him the better coach. I mean Ed O wasn’t the best or one of the best coaches in the country in 2018 and 2019. His teams were good and he was good enough. But best coach isn’t a current snapshot it’s based on career. Smart is good but I think he needs another title or 5 or so more years of being significantly better than Clemson to put him clearly over Dabo.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 6:54 am
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:53 am to troyt37
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Pretty surprising and even disappointing to hear so many of you Georgia baws shite on Richt. Dude had one losing season in 15 years, 10 of those 15 seasons with 10 or more wins, two 11 win seasons, one 12, and one 13 win season. Maybe he couldn’t win the big one, but he also coached through peak Saban. Maybe nobody’s favorite, but dogging a coach who wins like that is begging for some bad karma.
He beat Georgia Southern in overtime in his last home game.
Honestly, folks.
Don't pretend to know UGA better than UGA fans.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 6:55 am to bengalmd
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Smart is a great recruiter but I would not put him in top 10 of game management coaches.
Lol
Ahhh yes.
Dan Mullen hot takes.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 7:00 am to LSUstephen17
One good season?
What's a great season?
What's a great season?
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Not buying Smart with one good season
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 7:02 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 7:02 am to troyt37
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I’m not saying Smart isn’t a great coach. I’m saying Richt won at a 74% rate over 15 years. Smart is at an 82% win rate over 6 years. Kirby obviously has the stuff to win at the highest levels, but he’ll have to continue that for another decade without much of a drop off for the next decade to stay ahead of Richt’s win percentage. Smart will always have the championships over Richt, but if you’re honest, you recognize it’s happening during Sagan’s decline, not in his heyday.
Moving goalposts?
The only good senior on the 2016 team for Kirby was Maurice Smith (transfer from Bama). There was a solid nucleus of juniors. But literally no decent seniors. That was Richt's 2013 class.
The juniors returned in 2017 to lead UGA to the national championship game. But we still had no depth (richt's recruiting classes). Making it to overtime in the NCG with a true freshman QB was a miracle for Kirby.
It can be argued that Saban's decline has coincided with Kirby's departure. The defense sure is different. And the offensive talent evaluation appears shaky considering how Bama is still the king of recruiting.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 7:07 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 7:03 am to Cooterlane
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Dabo
You guys keep misspelling Venables
Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:11 am to csorre1
Brian Kelly
Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:22 am to meansonny
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Saban's decline
When exactly did this happen?
I thought Saban was coming off an SEC Championship & a 2nd Place / CFP Runner Up season?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:16 am to panhandlebama
Gotta give Luke Fickell honorable mention.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:30 am to meansonny
I’m not moving the goalposts, I’m trying to say the guy you love right now is standing on the shoulders of the guy you guys keep shitting on.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:01 am to troyt37
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I’m saying Richt won at a 74% rate over 15 years. Smart is at an 82% win rate over 6 years.
This is misleading:
- 2011 Won 10, but was 0-4 vs ranked teams.
- 2015 was considered the worst 10 win team of all time.
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but if you’re honest, you recognize it’s happening during Sagan’s decline, not in his heyday.
Saban isn’t why richt struggled in 2006,2008,2009, 2010,2011, 2013, and 2014.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:03 am to Tigerbait8
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Brian Kelly
Sorry, coaches who've never won a title or even a playoff game have no place in line at all for this conversation.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:08 am to CharlotteSooner
I get why you would say Dabo. But if we did a poll nationally and said you can have either Kirby or Dabo to lead your team right now....I'm not sure Dabo wins that poll.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:11 am to djsdawg
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Saban isn’t why richt struggled in 2006,2008,2009, 2010, 2013, and 2014.
If you ignore recruiting, then yes. But other than 2006, recruiting was a big part of it. He got players from Georgia. We wouldn't have gotten all of them, but we probably get a good portion of them if he's not there. And that's not even talking about players like Henry that were not from Georgia.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:18 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Neither Riley nor Day have built their own programs yet.
And? So where do you rank them? It's funny some fans say sustaining a program proves a coach is good and others say they have to build the program. I was never a Les Miles fan but based on your comment CLM sucked right?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:47 am to troyt37
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I’m trying to say the guy you love right now is standing on the shoulders of the guy you guys keep shitting on.
I could easily argue that smart is standing on the shoulders of Jim Donnan. Or nick Saban.
After the 2012 SECCG, richt had a hard drop. In recruiting (31 recruits in 2013 class with no hits). In coaching hires (Pruitt, schottenheimer). GameDay decisions.
Don't get me wrong. The coach 2002 to 2012 is great. The coach 2013 to 2015... not so much (2014 lost to a bad 7-6 Carolina, bad 7-5 Florida. 2015 beat GA Southern in OT. Beat a 3-9 GT team with a score 13-7. Beat a 5-7 Missouri team with a score 9-6. Beat a 7-6 Auburn team 20-13. But hey.... 2015 was a 10 win season)
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:10 pm to koreandawg
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you ignore recruiting, then yes. But other than 2006, recruiting was a big part of it. He got players from Georgia. We wouldn't have gotten all of them, but we probably get a good portion of them if he's not there. And that's not even talking about players like Henry that were not from Georgia.
I don’t think saban was the reason richt recruiting in GA wasn’t as strong as it could have been.
Even when richt did land then over bama, it didn’t mean shite.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:16 pm to koreandawg
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But if we did a poll nationally and said you can have either Kirby or Dabo to lead your team right now....I'm not sure Dabo wins that poll.
Probably not.
But if I'm looking at this from the perspective of your average CFB program, who would do better? Like is Kirby going to build up a Texas Tech, Washington, Ok St, Purdue, etc type program better than Dabo? I'm not sure. I think Kirby needs the recruiting ceiling of a team like Georgia where Dabo is more of a program builder/culture change guy than Kirby is.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:27 pm to PorkDawg
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Mike Leach
He gets my vote for Most Entertaining, hands down.
Leach is a good coach with a lot of charisma. Not sure how you can't like the guy.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 12:31 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Brian Kelly
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Sorry, coaches who've never won a title or even a playoff game have no place in line at all for this conversation.
Fair enough. But it might be a good idea to keep him on "injured reserve"...
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