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re: Who was the worst SEC division winner?

Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:59 am to
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:59 am to
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It was a good football team


We struggled against a shitty Vandy team, lost to Louisiana Tech on a Hail Mary, had to bat down a Hail Mary against Arkansas the very next week, somehow managed to beat Florida in the Swamp, looked like arse against Ole Miss and Tennessee, played VERY well against a solid Southern Miss team before nearly losing to 3-8 LSU at home. We struggled against a good (but overrated) Mississippi State team at home before playing poorly against an outmanned Auburn team until depth took control of the game in the fourth quarter.

Our two best games that year were against Southern Miss and Florida in the SEC Championship Game. We got very lucky against Florida in the Swamp. If not for that muffed punt at the end of the game, Florida wins and DuBose is fired on Sunday morning.

I'm not saying that we weren't a good team, I'm simply saying we weren't as good as our regular season record would indicate. We were only a few plays away from being 8-4 or 7-5 in 1999. Fortunately our senior leadership (Griffin, Samuels, and Alexander to name a few) didn't let that happen.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:06 am to
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We struggled against a shitty Vandy team, lost to Louisiana Tech on a Hail Mary, had to bat down a Hail Mary against Arkansas the very next week, somehow managed to beat Florida in the Swamp, looked like arse against Ole Miss and Tennessee, played VERY well against a solid Southern Miss team before nearly losing to 3-8 LSU at home. We struggled against a good (but overrated) Mississippi State team at home before playing poorly against an outmanned Auburn team until depth took control of the game in the fourth quarter.


I think we have gotten accustomed to never losing to bad teams and never having close games against mediocre teams. Most borderline Top 10 teams that lose 2-3 games have close games with so-so teams (we played Vanderbilt to a 20-10/24-13/19-6 type score basically every year for 3 decades). The biggest outlier with that team was the Louisiana Tech game, as most teams don't turn around from that and then do what we did the next few weeks with Arkansas, Florida, and Ole Miss. But that can be clearly attributed to the coaching situation, as the talent was very good all around.

I wouldn't say we looked like arse against Tennessee. We basically lost the main piece of our offense to an ankle injury and lost a game in which Tennessee scored late in the 4th to put the game away - against a Tennessee team that was absolutely loaded (probably more so than the 1998 team).

Same with Ole Miss - that was a solid Ole Miss team, and it was a CLASSIC let down game opportunity on the road the week after winning at Florida and before a huge showdown with Tennessee, and we controlled the game for 3 quarters before they made a little run and we held on.


I think 10-3 pretty correctly defines that team. We were 1 play away from losing to Florida and LSU, but we were 1 play away from beating La Tech and Michigan too. So it kind of evens out. Certainly was the strangest 10 win, SEC Title season ever, though.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 9:10 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:31 am to
Perhaps I am too hard on the '99 team. However, I just remember putting together the highlights for that season and not coming away very impressed with how the team played. They were just as undisciplined as the other DuBose teams yet somehow managed to rise to the occasion and go the extra mile, unlike the '97, '98 or '00 squads. When you actually sit down and re-watch them they appear quite unremarkable and are simply ahead when the game ends.

This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 9:32 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:36 am to
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Perhaps I am too hard on the '99 team. However, I just remember putting together the highlights for that season and not coming away very impressed with how the team played. They were just as undisciplined as the other DuBose teams yet somehow managed to rise to the occasion and go the extra mile, unlike the '97, '98 or '00 squads. When you actually sit down and re-watch them they appear quite unremarkable and are simply ahead when the game ends.



Oh yea, 100%, they were far from a well oiled machine. As you said before, the only thing that held that bunch together was other worldly leadership from Samuels and Alexander.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:14 pm to
I still remember that epic orange bowl with Bama coming up just short against Tom Brady and Michigan. Brady was not a great college QB, but he showed up in big games (see their Citrus Bowl against Arkansas the prior year)
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 12:20 pm
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:19 pm to
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1995 Arkansas 8-5 (6-2): lost to SMU and their four other losses were by double digits.

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2002 Arkansas 9-5 (5-3): They made it to Atlanta to lose 30-3 to Georgia bc Bama, who had drubbed them in Fayetteville, was on probation



These seem like the worst to me
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
9234 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:29 pm to
1st time I ever saw Brady, man he was lights out. Led Michigan back from 14 point deficits twice. Salute. Yet we lost it on Pflugner's missed PAT
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:41 pm to
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Perhaps I am too hard on the '99 team. However, I just remember putting together the highlights for that season and not coming away very impressed with how the team played. They were just as undisciplined as the other DuBose teams yet somehow managed to rise to the occasion and go the extra mile, unlike the '97, '98 or '00 squads. When you actually sit down and re-watch them they appear quite unremarkable and are simply ahead when the game ends.



Certainly compared to our recent success it was a lackluster team. But I have a hard time putting them anywhere close to being the worst division winner when you go back and look at what they did to Florida in the SEC Championship Game. That was complete domination of a decent Florida team, though they ended the season on 3 straight losses.

That team is likely a .500 team without Shaun Alexander though. We definitely lose the Auburn game without him, and likely the LSU, 1st Florida game, and Ole Miss games as well.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21261 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:12 pm to
Clint Stoerner hurt his throwing arm against Louisiana Monroe the game before. Not that made any difference but the SEC underachieved that year.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:28 pm to
Stoerner and Lucas (had no idea he was from La.) was a lethal combo. Seems like Nutt never was able to put together a balanced offense like that again at Arkansas
Posted by HalfCocked
Dirty Beach
Member since Jan 2015
2291 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 3:37 pm to
For those of you saying 2010 South Caroline. That team had 20+ future NFL players on it and no it wasn't a bad team. They just had no idea how to win week to week and had no real leadership, just a play caller for a coach. You give that team to any other solid SEC Coach and its a BCS Birth.


Connor Shaw FR QB
Marcus Lattimore* FR RB
Patrick Dimarco* SR RB
Tori Gurley* SO WR
Alshon Jeffery* SO WR
Ace Sanders FR WR
Justice Cunningham SO TE
T.J. Johnson* OL
Jarriel King* OL
Rokevious Watkins* OL
Kyle Nunn OL
Spencer Lanning SR K
Cliff Matthews* SR DL
Travian Robertson* JR DL
Devin Taylor* SO DL
Melvin Ingram JR DL
Byron Jerideau SO DL
Chaz Sutton FR DL
Player Class Pos Summary
Shaq Wilson JR LB
Stephon Gilmore* SO DB
Antonio Allen* JR DB
Chris Culliver* SR DB
Devonte Holloman* SO DB
D.J. Swearinger* SO DB
Jimmy Legree FR DB
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21261 posts
Posted on 7/7/20 at 7:24 pm to
The quarterback coach at the time was Joe Ferguson who at one point was the franchise leading passer for the bills until Jim Kelly. He is from Shreveport.

Well he had arguments with Nutt a bout this and that. So he had enough and quit. So that was the problem with Nutt is that when he hired a quarterback coach, they would leave for like a year. Which caused him to struggle recruiting quarterbacks. It also didn't help that he was the OC and a terrible play caller. It wasn't until he got on the hot seat that he was forced to hire one. Insert Gus.

Nutt didn't have balanced offenses because of his lack of effort. When he had a high school Gatorade player of the year in Mitch Mustain, he refused to develop him. Ultimately this ended up causing him to look for jobs in the off season.


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