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re: Who had the biggest coaching change drop offs from one season to next in SEC since 2000?
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:38 am to SEC Doctor
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:38 am to SEC Doctor
this is actually worse than Spurrier to Muschanp -
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Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:39 am to SEC Doctor
Georgia basketball - Jim Harrick to Dennis Felton
Not really because of records from last year to the next or the troubles Harrick had, but pure coaching ability.
Not really because of records from last year to the next or the troubles Harrick had, but pure coaching ability.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 10:43 am
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:42 am to lsufball19
Alabama only had a three win drop off and somehow is the highest ranked football team. Yet there's already been four to five other situations posted where the win dropoff from the previous coach to the next was greater. It appears the OP can't get Bama off his mind.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:51 am to NWLA_Bama
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Alabama only had a three win drop off and somehow is the highest ranked football team. Yet there's already been four to five other situations posted where the win dropoff from the previous coach to the next was greater. It appears the OP can't get Bama off his mind.
Sorry to have hurt your feelings. This chart is not purely based on record from one season to the next, it is the total coaching job.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:51 am to Quicksilver
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Title says one season to the next.
But not "final record dropoff"
Muschamp's tenures at UF (Meyer - Muschamp) and USC (Spurrier - Muschamp) didn't have huge, immediate record dropoff, but the coaching change(s) sure was a big one.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:52 am to NWLA_Bama
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Alabama only had a three win drop off
That's ... a pretty big drop off.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:59 am to Tanny Bogus
While I do agree that CFM did tank our program the change from CBMFP to Bilema didn't do us any favors either. Both changes sucked
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:00 am to jonnyanony
But it's not the most. "Pretty big" doesn't win the contest when there are four to five other situations that had bigger dropoffs, correct?
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:04 am to NWLA_Bama
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But it's not the most. "Pretty big" doesn't win the contest when there are four to five other situations that had bigger dropoffs, correct?
Alabama went from who is likely the best coach in college football history to a guy who lost four games with the most talented team in the country. The analysis goes beyond just simple math of wins from one season to the next.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:09 am to SEC Doctor
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Alabama went from who is likely the best coach in college football history to a guy who lost four games with the most talented team in the country. The analysis goes beyond just simple math of wins from one season to the next.
Right, we went from the greatest coach in college football history to someone (who as of today) history won't even remember and just dropped three games. You're making my point, and no, we didn't have one of the most talented rosters in the country when you consider how many freshmen we had to play and the amount of talent that transferred out compared to what transferred in. Bear Bryant said, "You will lose one game for every freshman you have to start". The roster talent narrative is way overplayed when you take into account the lack of experience a lot of that talent had when on the field.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:14 am to NWLA_Bama
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"Pretty big" doesn't win the contest when there are four to five other situations that had bigger dropoffs, correct?
Which ones?
3 games is the same as Spurrier->Zook.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:21 am to SEC Doctor
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1. Texas A&M baseball - Schlossnagle to Earley.
2. Alabama football - Saban to DeBoer
3. Miss State women's hoops - Schaefer to McCray
4. Arkansas football - Bielema to Chad Morris
5. Tenner football - Kiffin to Dooley
6. SC football - Spurrier to Muschamp
Any other obvious ones who should be on the list?
Vanderbilt football - James Franklin to Derek Mason
James franklin won 9 games in his last season. It took Vanderbilt 28 games to get 9 wins under Mason (2.33 seasons) after Franklin left.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:23 am to jonnyanony
James Franklin went 9-3 in 2013
Derek Mason went 3-9 in 2014
My math may be fuzzy, but that appears to be a 6-game drop. Wouldn't you agree that's more than a three-game drop?
Also, Mike Leach in 2022 went 9-4
Zach Arnett in 2023 went 5-7
My math says that's a 4-game drop off, which seems to be greater than 3.
Derek Mason went 3-9 in 2014
My math may be fuzzy, but that appears to be a 6-game drop. Wouldn't you agree that's more than a three-game drop?
Also, Mike Leach in 2022 went 9-4
Zach Arnett in 2023 went 5-7
My math says that's a 4-game drop off, which seems to be greater than 3.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:28 am to SEC Doctor
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Alabama football - Saban to DeBoer
I'd say the jury is still out on this one.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:39 am to SEC Doctor
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:45 am to SEC Doctor
LSU basketball - Wade (22-12 overall, 9-9 SEC record in 2021-2022 season) to McMahon (14-19 overall, 2-16 SEC record in 2022-2023 season)
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:53 am to SEC Doctor
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Arkansas football - Bielema to Chad Morris
This was the Grim Reaper. We still haven't recovered.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:02 pm to linewar
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It didn't involve a coaching change (till later) and maybe needs an asterisk due to the COVID year, but LSU football 2019 to 2020 is about as drastic as it gets.
Didn't LSU lose both coordinators in the off season?
Not the head coach, but pretty much the people that made the team good.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:10 pm to SEC Doctor
Judging any coach on just his first season at a school is foolish. Kirby inherited a perennial double digit win Georgia program and went 8-5. Petrino inherited an Arkansas team coming off a 10 win season followed by an 8 win season and went 5-7. Bear Bryant went 5-4-1 his first season at Alabama. Gene Stallings went 7-5 his first season at Alabama. Nick Saban went 7-6 his first season at Alabama. Spurrier had his lowest win total at Florida in his first season (9 wins). Dabo won 4 games his first season at Clemson. Bobby Bowden won 5 his first season at Florida State. Josh Heupel went 7-6 his first season at Tennessee.
And none of those guys had to deal with a transfer portal where 40% of their team left their first week on the job.
And none of those guys had to deal with a transfer portal where 40% of their team left their first week on the job.
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