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re: Which SEC fanbase has the most unrealistic expectations for this year?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:08 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:08 pm to thunderbird1100
See, that’s a legit argument to make 
. I think a lot of the philosophy behind Moorhead wanting to throw the ball down field will require Fitz to get out of the pocket. IMO, this opens him up to making plays with his legs second instead of designed QB runs. If you watch Penn State the las two years, we can see Trace getting out of the pocket, baiting the secondary and then throwing it deep. When JoMo says we will throw the ball deep, I see it reflected more as a RPO than Fitz sitting in the pocket and hurling it. I think Joe is smart enough to play off of Fitz strengths rather than force him to play outside himself. Just because we will run plays where WR’s are further down field, doesn’t inherently imply that the ball will be thrown downfield. I think the philosophy behind it is Joe wanting to stretch the defense thin.
. I think a lot of the philosophy behind Moorhead wanting to throw the ball down field will require Fitz to get out of the pocket. IMO, this opens him up to making plays with his legs second instead of designed QB runs. If you watch Penn State the las two years, we can see Trace getting out of the pocket, baiting the secondary and then throwing it deep. When JoMo says we will throw the ball deep, I see it reflected more as a RPO than Fitz sitting in the pocket and hurling it. I think Joe is smart enough to play off of Fitz strengths rather than force him to play outside himself. Just because we will run plays where WR’s are further down field, doesn’t inherently imply that the ball will be thrown downfield. I think the philosophy behind it is Joe wanting to stretch the defense thin.This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:13 pm
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Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:09 pm to msudawg1200
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I'm pretty sure he'll adjust as he goes. If Fitz can't throw it downfield I'm sure Moorhead won't force the issue. Now, some coaches are arrogant, hard-headed bastards(Mullen) and are going to do their "thing" come hell or high water. Let's hope Moorhead isn't like this.
I thought Mullen was pretty excellent when it came to adjusting. Like leaning more on Dak's running ability earlier on as he developed as a passer than leaning on his passing ability a lot more as he grew there.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:10 pm to Sun God
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Hiring a coordinator is 50/50 at best, even at an elite school.
That's a broad brush. Not every coordinator showed dramatic improvement in his first year at every stop, including during his stint as a head coach at Fordham.
I think this blanket dismissal of State because of the new coach is silly. Moorhead has a resume that stands out compared to other assistant coaches. Everything I've seen so far, from his recruiting, to his handling of the fanbase and media, to the way he conducted spring practice, to the scientific approach he uses to implement is system - is light years ahead of anything Mullen ever did. And I genuinely mean that. How it translates to wins/losses, we will see. But I am very happy thus far and feel like we have upgraded. I'm sure it will take the season for everyone here to come around.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:10 pm to thunderbird1100
Dude Mullen sucked. Get with the program.
JoMo
JoMo
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:13 pm to thunderbird1100
Mullen did a good job of that. I was referring to his conservative play calling in big games. Running Dak and Fitz up the middle from an empty set on 3 and 7.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:14 pm to Sun God
Please leave the thread if you’re gonna put dumbass comments in our mouth and then respond as if we made such comments.
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:16 pm to Drebin
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I think this blanket dismissal of State because of the new coach is silly
Not dismissing y'all. Think y'all finish with a better record than LSU this year.
Just seen this countless times in the SEC since I started watching 30 years ago. Y'all lost the best coach y'all had. Growing pains usually follow.
We are gonna torch y'all in DV though
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:17 pm to thunderbird1100
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I thought Mullen was pretty excellent when it came to adjusting. Like leaning more on Dak's running ability earlier on as he developed as a passer than leaning on his passing ability a lot more as he grew there.
This was my biggest praise of Mullen. In fact, he did such a good job of it, it seemed like he had a hard time letting it go. I lost count of the designed QB runs failing one after the other in 2014 against Bama. Playcalling shot ourselves in the foot that game.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:18 pm to LSUsuperfresh
Any team not Bama
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:20 pm to Sun God
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Just seen this countless times in the SEC since I started watching 30 years ago.
Really? How often in this conference is a program left in monumentally better shape than when it first started under a new coach?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:23 pm to BobLeeDagger
Check the coordinator hirings and get back to me, k?
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:23 pm to Sun God
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Just seen this countless times in the SEC since I started watching 30 years ago. Y'all lost the best coach y'all had. Growing pains usually follow.
Mullen's accomplishments are overblown. He was a shitty recruiter and a terrible in-game coach. He is a really good developer of QBs and is good at putting a game plan together. Of course he's going to look like Vince Freaking Lombardi - he came in after Sylvester Croom. He played 4 cupcakes, went 3-5 in conference, and went to a bowl every year. Let's stop hailing this as some miracle accomplishment.
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We are gonna torch y'all in DV though
LSU won't come within two TDs of beating State this year. You can book that. Y'all are pinning all your hope on a grad transfer QB - and you talk about State's new coach. Your offensive line is questionable, you're QB situation is questionable (standard for any LSU team), and you don't have Guice to give the ball to anymore. You have talent on defense but nothing like you've had in previous seasons. And Eddie O is your coach.
LSU is gonna need to hustle to get bowl eligible. The State game will get ugly.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:23 pm to Sun God
Name one.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:27 pm to BobLeeDagger
Ron Zook
I can add more but that one is just so perfect
I can add more but that one is just so perfect
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:30 pm to Sun God
Florida’s greatness as a program was established well before Urban stepped foot on campus, but good try.
I’m not sure you even undersood the question so I’ll post it again.
I’m not sure you even undersood the question so I’ll post it again.
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How often in this conference is a program left in monumentally better shape than when it first started under a new coach?
This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:44 pm to LSUsuperfresh
Most of them.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:50 pm to TideFaninFl
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This post was edited on 7/17/18 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 7/17/18 at 4:52 pm to BobLeeDagger
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Surely, you have a reason and aren’t just assuming.
Sure, take a glance at Dan Mullen's coaching career and experience and compare it to Joe Moorheads. That right there (before you even dive into x's and o's) is enough to make assumptions about why State will likely struggle to maintain its level of success in the SEC.
I refuse to go research his tenure at college football powerhouses such as Akron and Fordham, or try discuss how coaching an athlete like Saquon Barkley at Penn St. likely inflated his value, so I guess you win.
State fans don't have unrealistic expectations and should not hesitate to expect Joe Moorhead to take them to the promised land.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 5:00 pm to Sun God
Mullen was a coordinator, and y'all all think he is some kind of god.
Posted on 7/17/18 at 5:01 pm to TigerFan4040
I can’t argue with that. No good coach has ever come from humble beginnings. They all started out as HC’s for big name programs.
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