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re: Where do you rank Auburn as a football program within the SEC?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:15 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:15 am to BHMKyle
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While I stand by the fact that Georgia, Auburn, and Florida can be ranked in any order at #4, #5, or #6 in the SEC.... the gap between those 6 and the next 3 (Arky, TAMU, OM) is very wide.
I also think its nearly impossible to say that Florida is definitively ahead of Auburn.
National Titles
Florida- 3 (1996, 2006, 2008)
Auburn- 2 (1957, 2010)
SEC Titles
Auburn- 8
Florida- 8
All-Time AP Poll Points Ranking
Auburn- #13 (38 Top 25 finishes)
Florida= #17 (31 Top 25 finishes)
Head-to-Head
Auburn leads series 42-38-2
All-Time Wins
Auburn- 746 (#13 nationally)
Florida- 710 (#22 nationally)
Like I said, it could go either way. Auburn basically has a slight lead in just about every category except that Florida has one extra National Title... which is a pretty big deal. Because of the extra title, I can totally see someone ranking Florida ahead. But I think any ranking of Florida, Georgia, and Auburn needs to come with an asterisk stating how close all 3 are to each other.
If I had to rank the three, I'd go Georgia, Auburn, Florida... but I am obviously biased. To me, the fact that every single accomplishment in Florida's football history occurred between 1991 and 2008 is an issue for their overall resume. It's hard to quantify because the achievements are there. However, I think programs that have maintained strong success decade after decade are a bit more impressive, IMO.
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:18 am to BHMKyle
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If I had to rank the three, I'd go Georgia, Auburn, Florida... but I am obviously biased
Yeah, which is why I broke it down in historic/current. Now program potential, that's a whole other ranking. I'd go:
1. UA
2. LSU
3. UGA
4. UF
5. A&M
6. AU
7. UT
But the common theme is UT is not the program now that history dictates.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:20 am to craigbiggio
quote:
1. Alabama
2. Tennessee 3-6 Any combo of Florida, LSU, Georgia and Auburn. IMO you're splitting hairs trying to rank 3-6
This is the correct answer
Recent history puts LSU & AU just above UGA
Long term puts UGA slightly ahead
But 3 - 6 is essentially a wash
If Tennessee does not step it up in the next decade, they will fall behind all 3 of those
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:29 am to AUsteriskPride
quote:
1. UA
2. LSU
3. UGA
4. UF
5. A&M
6. AU
7. UT
On pure potential, I think UGA and UF are even higher. I'm sure you're ranking based on LSU having a decent football state to itself (true, of course) but I think being top programs in top states, GA and FL being better states overall, and UGA and UF having much higher $$$ potential may give them the edge.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:01 pm to CBandits82
Here is a quick snapshot of the more important statistics:
All-Time National Titles:
1. Alabama- 11
2t. Florida- 3
2t. LSU- 3
4t. Auburn- 2
4t. Tennessee- 2
6. Georgia- 1
All-Time SEC Titles:
1. Alabama- 26
2. Tennessee- 13
3. Georgia- 12
4. LSU- 11
5t. Auburn- 8
5t. Florida- 8
All-Time SEC Winning Percentage:
1. Alabama- 69.6%
2. Tennessee- 62.0%
3. Georgia- 60.3%
4. Florida- 58.8%
5. LSU- 58.4%
6. Auburn- 55.6%
All-Time "Big 6" Winning Percentage:
1. Alabama- 61.3%
2. Florida- 50.3%
3. Auburn- 48.6%
4. Tennessee- 46.4%
5. Georgia- 46.3%
6. LSU- 45.0%
All-Time AP Poll Points:
1. Alabama (#2 nationally with 1,103 pts)
2. Tennessee (#9 nationally with 686 pts)
3. LSU (#11 nationally with 625 pts)
4. Auburn (#13 nationally with 556 pts)
5. Georgia (#14 nationally with 548 pts)
6. Florida (#17 nationally with 499 pts)
All-Time Wins:
1. Alabama- 878
2. Tennessee- 829
3. Georgia- 795
4. LSU- 778
5. Auburn- 749
6. Florida- 710
All-Time Wins vs. Top 25 Teams (Final Rankings Used):
1. Alabama- 140
2. Florida- 114
3. Tennessee- 104
4. LSU- 101
5. Auburn- 93
6. Georgia- 81
To be honest, 2-6 is sort of a crap shoot altogether. Tennessee's once large lead over Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Florida is not very large at all anymore.
All-Time National Titles:
1. Alabama- 11
2t. Florida- 3
2t. LSU- 3
4t. Auburn- 2
4t. Tennessee- 2
6. Georgia- 1
All-Time SEC Titles:
1. Alabama- 26
2. Tennessee- 13
3. Georgia- 12
4. LSU- 11
5t. Auburn- 8
5t. Florida- 8
All-Time SEC Winning Percentage:
1. Alabama- 69.6%
2. Tennessee- 62.0%
3. Georgia- 60.3%
4. Florida- 58.8%
5. LSU- 58.4%
6. Auburn- 55.6%
All-Time "Big 6" Winning Percentage:
1. Alabama- 61.3%
2. Florida- 50.3%
3. Auburn- 48.6%
4. Tennessee- 46.4%
5. Georgia- 46.3%
6. LSU- 45.0%
All-Time AP Poll Points:
1. Alabama (#2 nationally with 1,103 pts)
2. Tennessee (#9 nationally with 686 pts)
3. LSU (#11 nationally with 625 pts)
4. Auburn (#13 nationally with 556 pts)
5. Georgia (#14 nationally with 548 pts)
6. Florida (#17 nationally with 499 pts)
All-Time Wins:
1. Alabama- 878
2. Tennessee- 829
3. Georgia- 795
4. LSU- 778
5. Auburn- 749
6. Florida- 710
All-Time Wins vs. Top 25 Teams (Final Rankings Used):
1. Alabama- 140
2. Florida- 114
3. Tennessee- 104
4. LSU- 101
5. Auburn- 93
6. Georgia- 81
To be honest, 2-6 is sort of a crap shoot altogether. Tennessee's once large lead over Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Florida is not very large at all anymore.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:02 pm to CBandits82
Auburn is probably 6th in the SEC all time.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:12 pm to craigbiggio
quote:
1. Alabama
2. Tennessee
3-6 Any combo of Florida, LSU, Georgia and Auburn. IMO you're splitting hairs trying to rank 3-6
This
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:20 pm to BHMKyle
All 6 of the "Big 6" are without a doubt among the 16 best programs of all-time.
SEC: Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Florida
BIG 10: Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State
BIG 12: Oklahoma, Texas
ACC: Florida State, Miami
PAC: USC
Independent: Notre Dame
These 16 programs are without a doubt the 16 best of all-time. In fact, there is a pretty sizable gap between these 16 and the next group.
Next group is not so clear-cut. In no official order, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Ole Miss from the SEC join Michigan State, UCLA, Washington, Clemson, Georgia Tech, et al in that next grouping.
SEC: Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Florida
BIG 10: Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State
BIG 12: Oklahoma, Texas
ACC: Florida State, Miami
PAC: USC
Independent: Notre Dame
These 16 programs are without a doubt the 16 best of all-time. In fact, there is a pretty sizable gap between these 16 and the next group.
Next group is not so clear-cut. In no official order, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Ole Miss from the SEC join Michigan State, UCLA, Washington, Clemson, Georgia Tech, et al in that next grouping.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:26 pm to Johnny B Goode
1. Alabama
2. Tennessee
3. Georgia
4. Auburn
5. Florida
6. LSU
7. Ole Miss
8. Georgia Tech
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. South Carolina
12. Mississippi State
13. Vanderbilt
14. Missouri
15. Texas A&M
Tennessee could easily be separated at #2 but since their current 9 year hiatus of decency, they can be lumped in the interchangeable category of 2-6. Really no wrong order with 2-6.
Yes, I know GT hasn't been a member since 1964, but they have won a few SEC titles and had national championship caliber seasons in 1951 and 1952 despite not being the national champs.
2. Tennessee
3. Georgia
4. Auburn
5. Florida
6. LSU
7. Ole Miss
8. Georgia Tech
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. South Carolina
12. Mississippi State
13. Vanderbilt
14. Missouri
15. Texas A&M
Tennessee could easily be separated at #2 but since their current 9 year hiatus of decency, they can be lumped in the interchangeable category of 2-6. Really no wrong order with 2-6.
Yes, I know GT hasn't been a member since 1964, but they have won a few SEC titles and had national championship caliber seasons in 1951 and 1952 despite not being the national champs.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:28 pm to BHMKyle
BHMKyle.
You sir, are a georgia fan that is hard to hate. I will put aside my obvious hatred for all things georgia and say the following:
I cannot disagree with any of what you have written in the first two posts in the thread.
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Flip a coin.
You sir, are a georgia fan that is hard to hate. I will put aside my obvious hatred for all things georgia and say the following:
I cannot disagree with any of what you have written in the first two posts in the thread.
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Flip a coin.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:35 pm to Oklahomey
Obvious troll is obvious
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:40 pm to CBandits82
1. Alabama
2. Tennessee
3. Florida
4. LSU
5/6. Georgia/Auburn
7/8. Texas A&M/Ole Miss
9/10. Arkansas/Missouri
11/12. South Carolina/Kentucky
13. Mississippi State
14. Vanderbilt
(Team 1/Team 2= One is not necessarily better than the other historically).
2. Tennessee
3. Florida
4. LSU
5/6. Georgia/Auburn
7/8. Texas A&M/Ole Miss
9/10. Arkansas/Missouri
11/12. South Carolina/Kentucky
13. Mississippi State
14. Vanderbilt
(Team 1/Team 2= One is not necessarily better than the other historically).
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:46 pm to CBandits82
You left off years spent on probation as a criterion
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:02 pm to Oklahomey
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:10 pm to Oklahomey
quote:
1. Alabama
2. Tennessee
3. Georgia
4. Auburn
5. Florida
6. LSU
7. Ole Miss
8. Georgia Tech
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. South Carolina
12. Mississippi State
13. Vanderbilt
14. Missouri
15. Texas A&M
Tennessee could easily be separated at #2 but since their current 9 year hiatus of decency, they can be lumped in the interchangeable category of 2-6. Really no wrong order with 2-6.
Yes, I know GT hasn't been a member since 1964, but they have won a few SEC titles and had national championship caliber seasons in 1951 and 1952 despite not being the national champs.
um, where the frick are Tulane & Suwanee?
Anyway - nice troll
but GA Tech would be a clear #7 over Ole Miss - it's not even close (Jackets have more SEC titles & either 4 or 5 natty's)
I would realistically put aTm at 8 behind GA Tech & over Ole Miss
Would put Mizzou at #11 right behind Ark
My list
1. Bama
2. Tenn
3. AU
3. GA
3. LSU - listed alphabetically - argument can be made to swap any for actual # 3 - put a gun to my head & I would say LSU, UGA, AU
6. UF - but catching up fast, too much history with less than stellar performance to jump the other 3
7. GA Tech
8. aTm
9. Ole Miss
10. Ark
11. Mizzou
12. Ky
13. Miss State
14. SC
15. Vandy
16. Tulane
17. Suwanee
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:11 pm to CBandits82
Last of the "Big 6"
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:14 pm to CBandits82
Bama at the top.
A gap.
Georgia, Auburn, Florida and LSU.
A gap.
The rest.
A gap.
Georgia, Auburn, Florida and LSU.
A gap.
The rest.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:15 pm to CBandits82
1. Bama
2. UF/LSU
4. Tenn
5. UGA
6. Awbarn
7. Does it really matter after this?
2. UF/LSU
4. Tenn
5. UGA
6. Awbarn
7. Does it really matter after this?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:22 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Auburn is number 5 or 6 with UF.
Auburn is definitely ahead of UF.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:27 pm to CBandits82
of the big six, they are number 5 ahead of Georgia.
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