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re: When was the last time Muschamp had an elite defense?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:34 pm to Chazzy McRamzee
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:34 pm to Chazzy McRamzee
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Their QB went down early in the game, and their backup had a bunch of 3 and outs. It wore out the defense.
They ran a significantly larger number of plays than we did, and we were able to run pretty effectively on them before the end of the first half. That said, I also wouldn't say "ran crazy" - we went run heavy because our QB had broken ribs.
To answer the original question posted... 2013 Florida was an elite D.
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Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:36 pm to joeyb147
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So the AP didn't vote USC champions in 2003?
Interdasting...
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:39 pm to Spread
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Those were self-proclaimed "National Championship" games by the bowls themselves; neither was an official title game,
interesting. This comment leads to a very interesting topic of claiming national championships
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:43 pm to AUX3
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UF Scoring Defense Rank
2012 - 5th
2013 - 15th
2014 - 11th
AU Scoring Defense Rank
2012 - 66th
2013 - 48th
2014 - 64th
Doesn't really matter what Elite means in your definition. AU just paid a bunch of money to make the AU rank look like the UF rank in scoring defense.
If he can just get AU in the 20's or even 30's it'll make a huge difference.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:47 pm to joeyb147
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So the AP didn't vote USC champions in 2003?
Obviously, they did. I should have stated that the coaches were obligated to vote for the BCSNCG winner. Thank you for pointing out my oversight.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:48 pm to NYCAuburn
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interesting. This comment leads to a very interesting topic of claiming national championships
No, not really.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:49 pm to NGATiger
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If he can just get AU in the 20's or even 30's it'll make a huge difference.
Agree. He won't need a top 10 D.....just a D that will force 6-8 punts a game. Ellis Johnson's D just couldn't get people off the field. That was our biggest problem last season.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:50 pm to skrayper
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No, not really.
considering its being brought up in another thread, yeah it does
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:54 pm to MrAUTigers
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Agree. He won't need a top 10 D.....just a D that will force 6-8 punts a game. Ellis Johnson's D just couldn't get people off the field. That was our biggest problem last season.
Perhaps, but it's not like Ellis Johnson was some kind of moronic chump.
Interestingly enough, sources state that it was Ellis that had the idea of placing a return man back during the whole Kick Six thing.
I'm not saying EJ is a better coach than Muschamp... but he was hardly a "bad" one, yet it does seem like he gets ALL the blame.
It is quite possible that AU may have engineered an environment that no DC would have been successful under.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:54 pm to Spread
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The 1998 Orange Bowl you claim was a "national championship" matched up the numbers 2 & 3 teams;
I didn't "claim" anything. Take it up with the official Orange Bowl program.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:56 pm to NYCAuburn
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considering its being brought up in another thread, yeah it does
I say "Not really" because it gets brought up, all the time, nearly every day here. You don't actually think someone is bringing a new thought to the debate by citing something that happened 17 years ago, do you?
Posted on 7/27/15 at 2:59 pm to skrayper
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but it's not like Ellis Johnson was some kind of moronic chump.
You didn't watch his D last year. He covered Amari Cooper one on one the entire game. South Carolina punted once and went 5-6 on fourth down conversions. Elis Johnson's D had more holes than swiss cheese. The D wasn't great in 2013 and is what really hurt us in the fourth quarter of the NC game.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:05 pm to MrAUTigers
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but it's not like Ellis Johnson was some kind of moronic chump.
quote:I haven't seen a really good AU defense since I guess 2006...
You didn't watch his D last year. He covered Amari Cooper one on one the entire game. South Carolina punted once and went 5-6 on fourth down conversions. Elis Johnson's D had more holes than swiss cheese. The D wasn't great in 2013 and is what really hurt us in the fourth quarter of the NC game.
Posted on 7/27/15 at 3:21 pm to MrAUTigers
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You didn't watch his D last year. He covered Amari Cooper one on one the entire game. South Carolina punted once and went 5-6 on fourth down conversions. Elis Johnson's D had more holes than swiss cheese. The D wasn't great in 2013 and is what really hurt us in the fourth quarter of the NC game.
Fair enough. I'm just stating that I've also seen some pretty tough EJ defenses.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:43 am to joeyb147
McElroy had 2 broke ribs. Never opened up the offense. I love revisionist history on this board.
Speaking of Ellis Johnson covering Cooper 1 on 1. I seem to remember Cooper going deep on Muschamp last year and not a player of Florida within 20 yards of him plus Kenyan Drake kind of torched him also.
Speaking of Ellis Johnson covering Cooper 1 on 1. I seem to remember Cooper going deep on Muschamp last year and not a player of Florida within 20 yards of him plus Kenyan Drake kind of torched him also.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 12:47 am
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:51 am to GumpDyke
Like... last season. The Gator defense was nasty. Sadly, they had no offense.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:20 am to gatordmb89
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His best D was in '12. It was great IMO.
True, Dan Quinn is a genius.
I think a fair way to judge who should get the credit for the 2012 defense is looking at how each man's career has gone since the split.
Post-Dan Quinn: Muschamp was 10-14, with the worst defensive performance in Florida history and 300+ Rushing game against a Non-FBS team that didn't really even try to throw the ball.
Post-Will Muschamp: Dan Quinn was the man behind a defense that went to back-to-back Super Bowls (and probably should have won 2 straight) and is now an NFL head coach.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 1:22 am
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:25 am to whiskeyjohn
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Like... last season. The Gator defense was nasty. Sadly, they had no offense.
Last year our defense had the worst single game performance in school history.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:52 am to montanagator
Well when you play the eventual SEC champs on the road and your offense can't stay on the field...that tends to happen.
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