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re: What were your thoughts when Ark and SCar joined the SEC?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:18 pm to tkeefer
Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:18 pm to tkeefer
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The SEC doesn't want A&M.
Fify
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Vince Dooley of Georgia was pushing for Georgia Tech. At Florida, officials were pushing for FSU and Miami.
That surprises me
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 8:22 pm
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:26 pm to Mithridates6
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Arkansas and Texas were viewed as the biggest prizes from the SWC I think, but both were struggling at the time in FB
Arkansas was coming off back-to-back SWC Championships the day they officially joined in August 1990. Hatfield left and the next two seasons were dismal before actually starting play in the SEC in '92.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:29 pm to Mithridates6
South Carolina has been about what I thought they would be: a geographic fit, not much of a contender except the rare occasion when the planets align. Just good enough to be dangerous in the big 3.
Arkansas, I've got to be honest, I expected more. Great football tradition, same in basketball. I thought they would really open up the spigot on the Texas talent pipeline they used to enjoy and be a tough out. I figured them for spoiler most years in football and be a contender about once in 5 years and go to Atlanta at least once in a while. Your football never seems to have recovered since Broyles hung it up. Oh sure, you had some nice records with Petrino but you never would win shite with him, he always chokes on the big game.
Basketball looked to have it rolling with Nolan and 40 minutes of hell. We had some hellacious games when it was Wimp and Nolan matching wits in Walton or the Plaid Palace. I figured Arkansas hoops was a fixture near the top of the league. Let's hope both our teams moving back in the right direction.
Arkansas, I've got to be honest, I expected more. Great football tradition, same in basketball. I thought they would really open up the spigot on the Texas talent pipeline they used to enjoy and be a tough out. I figured them for spoiler most years in football and be a contender about once in 5 years and go to Atlanta at least once in a while. Your football never seems to have recovered since Broyles hung it up. Oh sure, you had some nice records with Petrino but you never would win shite with him, he always chokes on the big game.
Basketball looked to have it rolling with Nolan and 40 minutes of hell. We had some hellacious games when it was Wimp and Nolan matching wits in Walton or the Plaid Palace. I figured Arkansas hoops was a fixture near the top of the league. Let's hope both our teams moving back in the right direction.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:31 pm to RD Dawg
I read somewhere from a quote a bout Bobby Bowden. He said if you want to win a lot of games, you don't join the SEC. They were an independent and when they joined the ACC, I think they won the conference 12 years in a row. I don't know if that quote was true or not but they would still win the SEC most of the time in the 90s.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 9:27 pm to phil4bama
Arkansas left the SWC because of the political structure of the conference. Arkansas was ready to leave but they made a big mistake by not playing Texas teams when they first joined the SEC. This hurt our recruiting tremendously as we use to get up to 12-15 players a year from Texas. This caused a void and other out of state schools took advantage. We didn't start recruiting Texas hard until here recently.
Since Broyles hung it up? Holtz and Hatfield won big here in the 70s and 80s. It wasn't Bryant or Saban level but they top 20 just a bout every year. The 78 team still has the biggest upset in bowl history and should have been national champs. The 88 team was one Steve Atwater interception from going to the national championship game. The expectations were a lot higher among Arkansas fans of that time. Lou Holtz a member of the college hall of fame was fired after winning just six games. So quite the opposite of the reputation that Arkansas teams have today. If Arkansas is ever a solid program again, the fans will expect to win 8-10 games a year. They don't want to hear the lame excuses but the final results.
The basketball program dominated the SWC under Eddie and Nolan. They dominated for the first part of the 90s until Nolan had a meltdown. Stan Heath was a PC hire and was fired after five years. John Pelphrey was a botched hire when Dana Altman left after 24 hours. He was fired after four years. Mike Anderson was average and helped the program recover from the Nolan debacle. But he couldn't meet higher expectations and was fired after eight years. Our expectations are to get to the second weekend of March madness just a bout every year. Those are our true expectations.
The baseball team was a power in college back in the 80s. They slipped a lot in the 90s. But Dave Van Horn was able to build it back up to being an elite baseball school. Joke what you want a bout the foul in Omaha but it wasn't our day and we lost to the better team. But our day will come very soon. Our expectations is to get to Omaha each year and if not it is a big disappointment. Dave has met or exceeded his results here.
Since Broyles hung it up? Holtz and Hatfield won big here in the 70s and 80s. It wasn't Bryant or Saban level but they top 20 just a bout every year. The 78 team still has the biggest upset in bowl history and should have been national champs. The 88 team was one Steve Atwater interception from going to the national championship game. The expectations were a lot higher among Arkansas fans of that time. Lou Holtz a member of the college hall of fame was fired after winning just six games. So quite the opposite of the reputation that Arkansas teams have today. If Arkansas is ever a solid program again, the fans will expect to win 8-10 games a year. They don't want to hear the lame excuses but the final results.
The basketball program dominated the SWC under Eddie and Nolan. They dominated for the first part of the 90s until Nolan had a meltdown. Stan Heath was a PC hire and was fired after five years. John Pelphrey was a botched hire when Dana Altman left after 24 hours. He was fired after four years. Mike Anderson was average and helped the program recover from the Nolan debacle. But he couldn't meet higher expectations and was fired after eight years. Our expectations are to get to the second weekend of March madness just a bout every year. Those are our true expectations.
The baseball team was a power in college back in the 80s. They slipped a lot in the 90s. But Dave Van Horn was able to build it back up to being an elite baseball school. Joke what you want a bout the foul in Omaha but it wasn't our day and we lost to the better team. But our day will come very soon. Our expectations is to get to Omaha each year and if not it is a big disappointment. Dave has met or exceeded his results here.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:02 pm to Mithridates6
Like most posters here, I wasn't even conceived when the '92 expansion happened
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:10 pm to dchog
I was wrong on Pelphrey, seemed like a great hire for yall from WKU. Musselman will get things going, great recruiting class for his first season. In FB yall seem to be taking the same approach as LSU did with CEO, getting a proven assistant and recruiter who wants to be there for relatively cheap and surround him with a good staff.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:49 pm to dchog
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read somewhere from a quote a bout Bobby Bowden. He said if you want to win a lot of games, you don't join the SEC
He said something similar and he knew his easiest path was through the ACC.
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they would still win the SEC most of the time in the 90s.
Not even close to what they did in the ACC
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:02 pm to Mithridates6
Pelphrey was from South Alabama. He is the basketball version of Chad Morris. He had a 2-14 conference record in his second year. He was hired after Dana Altman had a change of heart within 24 hours. Pelphrey was a search committee choice and was hired when everyone else prior to Altman turned us down.
Muss is really turning up the heat in recruiting. He treats the transfer portal as a free agency. We have a strong instate basketball class coming up next year.
When Chad got fired, I didn't expect the search to go very smoothly and it did not. Most candidates turned us down and so that left us with Lane Kiffin. I liked Kiffin at first but when I looked at his previous stops before Alabama, that made me more nervous. For example at USC, he lead a number one team to unranked for the first time since 1964. That means he is prone to underachieve. We don't need that here. I expected him to be more energetic in his press conferences but his personality is on the bland and boring side.
The story on Sam is that he was campaigning for the job since the beginning but I don't if that is the truth or just made up. When Sam left in 2015, he only did so because Bert was drinking and acting like a brat. It also didn't help that Bert left for Vegas when Sam was hosting a recruit and Bert didn't show up. Sam took the blame when it was Bert's fault.
Folks need to remember is that while he doesn't have much head coaching experience, he is still 60 years old and has been a division 1 coach for a little over 30 years. I believe he knows what he is doing and unlike the younger coaches, he has nothing to lose.
Muss is really turning up the heat in recruiting. He treats the transfer portal as a free agency. We have a strong instate basketball class coming up next year.
When Chad got fired, I didn't expect the search to go very smoothly and it did not. Most candidates turned us down and so that left us with Lane Kiffin. I liked Kiffin at first but when I looked at his previous stops before Alabama, that made me more nervous. For example at USC, he lead a number one team to unranked for the first time since 1964. That means he is prone to underachieve. We don't need that here. I expected him to be more energetic in his press conferences but his personality is on the bland and boring side.
The story on Sam is that he was campaigning for the job since the beginning but I don't if that is the truth or just made up. When Sam left in 2015, he only did so because Bert was drinking and acting like a brat. It also didn't help that Bert left for Vegas when Sam was hosting a recruit and Bert didn't show up. Sam took the blame when it was Bert's fault.
Folks need to remember is that while he doesn't have much head coaching experience, he is still 60 years old and has been a division 1 coach for a little over 30 years. I believe he knows what he is doing and unlike the younger coaches, he has nothing to lose.
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:11 pm to RD Dawg
The ONLY team that came close to FSU was the Gators and they beat them like a rented mule. Take out the Miami, Notre Dame and other bug schools, replace with SEC teams, same or better results.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:44 am to Mithridates6
From an Arkansas perspective, I first expected us to compete with Georgia for 2nd place in the SEC. Admittedly, I underrated many SEC teams, although I still recognized the conference as better than the SWC. I honestly didn't even know that USC and MSU fielded football teams, but I was at least somewhat familiar with everyone else.
During the 80s, we had played Alabama, Ole Miss, Auburn, Georgia and then played Tennessee in 1990. Our program had slipped a little more in the 80s, before collapsing in 1991, so I quickly realized that our road would be tougher than I originally thought.
Basketball, on the other hand, I expected to dominate from day 1 and we did. I only viewed Kentucky as a threat and Kentucky was in worse shape than most were willing to admit, although the Cats were quick to rebound.
During the 80s, we had played Alabama, Ole Miss, Auburn, Georgia and then played Tennessee in 1990. Our program had slipped a little more in the 80s, before collapsing in 1991, so I quickly realized that our road would be tougher than I originally thought.
Basketball, on the other hand, I expected to dominate from day 1 and we did. I only viewed Kentucky as a threat and Kentucky was in worse shape than most were willing to admit, although the Cats were quick to rebound.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:19 am to Murph4HOF
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Still waiting on the Ags and Mizzou to do something noteworthy...
Missouri won the East twice in a row in our major sport. They've done jack shite in basketball or baseball, but they need some respect for their two FB teams that went to Atlanta. Winning a division in the SEC (even a "down" one) is not a mean feat. Kentucky, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, and Vanderbilt have never done it. South Carolina and MSU have done it only once. Missouri outdid them all in years two and three.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 3:59 am to Mithridates6
That we needed another couple of bums to beat up on.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:07 am to Mithridates6
I hated it...that effectively ended the great matchups each year with Auburn. Tennessee and Auburn played every year from 1956-1991. They've only played 10 times in the last 28 seasons.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:22 am to scionofadrunk
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Like most posters here, I wasn't even conceived when the '92 expansion happened
I think you'd be surprised by the average age on the board
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:24 am to LSUGoose
You clearly haven’t spent much time in Missouri. Half the state is every bit as Southern as any other state. KC has a combination of Midwest directness and southern charm. STL has elite athletes and high crime rates that come with Southern cities & in addition we have the Chiefs which means you can all pull for a winner for the next 15 years.
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