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re: What kind of penalty will Aggies get?

Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:45 pm to
Posted by HogPharmer
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:45 pm to
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Is this what we sounded like defending Will Wade?

I'm sorry guys...


Yes, but worse
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52584 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:46 pm to
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Yet when t.u. offers lineman 50,000 to go play for them, he, like the rest don’t say a damn thing. Their bias is comical. When you ask them if offering lineman 50,000 is an inducement, they stay quiet.


That's a violation as well.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21951 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:50 pm to
Look Sidewalk, I get what you are saying. But is the NCAA (which is basically being pushed out at this point) really going to "sanction" A&M, Texas, Oregon, Tennessee, and Miami for starters?

All have arguments against them for NIL. Let's not even talk about tOSU and Alabama openly begging their boosters for NIL help
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52584 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:52 pm to
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Look Sidewalk, I get what you are saying. But is the NCAA (which is basically being pushed out at this point) really going to "sanction" A&M, Texas, Oregon, Tennessee, and Miami for starters?

All have arguments against them for NIL. Let's not even talk about tOSU and Alabama openly begging their boosters for NIL help


Who knows if anything will actually come of it, to pretend it isn't a violation is simply foolish at this point though.

And it's literally on video, I haven't seen any other blatant evidence of violations at those other places besides the $50k lineman thing at Texas.
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
Member since Sep 2011
21951 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:54 pm to
I could show you more from Texas, but this site won't show images hosted by Amazon. Believe me it is out there. Just like Saban, all it takes is the snap of a picture from a cell phone, or the record button
Posted by Nvhog
Las Vegas Nevada
Member since Oct 2018
30 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:54 pm to
So Sarah was right
Posted by SlicedBread
Member since Feb 2022
891 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:55 pm to
Its not, though.
You can put a billboard on I-35 that says any OL that plays at Texas will revive 50K a year. Not directed at any recruit, not a program-led or booster inducement.
Having an official recruiting staff representative tell a potential recruit in person (on camera, lol) that there's money if you come here is a direct inducement.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52584 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:56 pm to
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I could show you more from Texas, but this site won't show images hosted by Amazon. Believe me it is out there. Just like Saban, all it takes is the snap of a picture from a cell phone, or the record button


Speaking about what an existing player on the team is getting isn't technically a violation.

Different story altogether when you start talking about what a recruit is going to get.
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5207 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:58 pm to
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According to Bylaw 12.1.2, an athlete is not eligible for participation in a sport if they have ever taken pay, or the promise of pay, for competing in that sport. This Bylaw is specifically referring to amateurism and goes in hand with the ethical conduct Bylaws 10.01.1 and 10.1-(a). NCAA Bylaw 10.01.1 states that an athlete must act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that they represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards


This is the so-called amaterism bylaw. This is literally the portion of the NCAA's rules that were turned upside down by the Supreme Court case.

The NCAA can no longer disqualify players from playing just because someone pays them money.

Also, you should dog into what constitutes a promise of pay. Hint: an off-hand comment from a recruiter to a group of recruits is not a promise of pay.

A promise of pay would be an agreement between a school and an athlete that says "it's against the rules to pay you whole you're here. But if you play for us, we'll pay you X dollars when you're done."
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52584 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:21 pm to
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This is the so-called amaterism bylaw. This is literally the portion of the NCAA's rules that were turned upside down by the Supreme Court case.

The NCAA can no longer disqualify players from playing just because someone pays them money.

Also, you should dog into what constitutes a promise of pay. Hint: an off-hand comment from a recruiter to a group of recruits is not a promise of pay.

A promise of pay would be an agreement between a school and an athlete that says "it's against the rules to pay you whole you're here. But if you play for us, we'll pay you X dollars when you're done."


You are severely misinformed.
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5207 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:25 pm to
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You are severely misinformed.


I have read the NIL rules. I have seen the video. I know the basics of contract law regarding offer and acceptance.

I see no offers made. Nothing accepted. And no actions by a coach or booster that violate any NCAA rules.

If a booster were to do what the coach did. That would be an NIL violation.

If the coach were to actually reference a specific deal to one or more players, ge would be acting on behalf of a booster, and that would be a violation.

What was shown in the video? No violation.

Prove me wrong if you're so sure you know better than me.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52584 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:31 pm to
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I have read the NIL rules. I have seen the video. I know the basics of contract law regarding offer and acceptance.

I see no offers made. Nothing accepted. And no actions by a coach or booster that violate any NCAA rules.

If a booster were to do what the coach did. That would be an NIL violation.

If the coach were to actually reference a specific deal to one or more players, ge would be acting on behalf of a booster, and that would be a violation.

What was shown in the video? No violation.

Prove me wrong if you're so sure you know better than me.


You're looking at this like a legal issue, where there's an actual burden of proof.

That's not how it works with the NCAA.
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5207 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:37 pm to
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You're looking at this like a legal issue, where there's an actual burden of proof.

That's not how it works with the NCAA.



1. I have not mentioned anything about burden of proof.

2. The fact you think I'm talking about burden of proof shows me that your understanding of the issues at hand is limited at best.

3. In the current era where the NCAA is being challenged by the legal system to the point where their very purpose for existing is being called into legimimate question, every issue regarding the NCAA and any action they may or may not take against a school, player, or any other involved entity, is properly examined through a legal lense. Because any move the NCAA makes from here out against anyone, especially if there's money involved, WILL be challenged via the courts. It's a new era amigo.
Posted by Colonel Ingus
Houston
Member since Nov 2021
5385 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:39 pm to
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That's not how it works with the NCAA.

How does it work with the NCAA?

Because will Wade paid off players and their families with his own bank account and him or LSU still have not received any punishment in what…5 years later?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52584 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:39 pm to
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Because any move the NCAA makes from here out against anyone, especially if there's money involved, WILL be challenged via the courts. It's a new era amigo.






Then why is LSU in trouble?


Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13022 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:42 pm to
To still go 8-4 every year at best.
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7506 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:45 pm to
None. Cheating has been rampant for the last decade, and nothing is done about it. At its current pace, the NCAA takes 5 years to make a decision on anything.
Posted by ForgetTheRest
Member since Oct 2015
2240 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:47 am to
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What kind of penalty will Aggies get?


Top 10 class.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 11:51 am
Posted by GalvoAg
Galveston TX
Member since Apr 2012
10845 posts
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:57 pm to
NCAA won’t be around it 3 years much less 5
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