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re: What kind of penalty will Aggies get?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:45 pm to LSUTigersLJM
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:45 pm to LSUTigersLJM
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Is this what we sounded like defending Will Wade?
I'm sorry guys...
Yes, but worse
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:46 pm to ForgetTheRest
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Yet when t.u. offers lineman 50,000 to go play for them, he, like the rest don’t say a damn thing. Their bias is comical. When you ask them if offering lineman 50,000 is an inducement, they stay quiet.
That's a violation as well.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:50 pm to SidewalkTiger
Look Sidewalk, I get what you are saying. But is the NCAA (which is basically being pushed out at this point) really going to "sanction" A&M, Texas, Oregon, Tennessee, and Miami for starters?
All have arguments against them for NIL. Let's not even talk about tOSU and Alabama openly begging their boosters for NIL help
All have arguments against them for NIL. Let's not even talk about tOSU and Alabama openly begging their boosters for NIL help
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:52 pm to ColoradoAg
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Look Sidewalk, I get what you are saying. But is the NCAA (which is basically being pushed out at this point) really going to "sanction" A&M, Texas, Oregon, Tennessee, and Miami for starters?
All have arguments against them for NIL. Let's not even talk about tOSU and Alabama openly begging their boosters for NIL help
Who knows if anything will actually come of it, to pretend it isn't a violation is simply foolish at this point though.
And it's literally on video, I haven't seen any other blatant evidence of violations at those other places besides the $50k lineman thing at Texas.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:54 pm to SidewalkTiger
I could show you more from Texas, but this site won't show images hosted by Amazon. Believe me it is out there. Just like Saban, all it takes is the snap of a picture from a cell phone, or the record button
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:55 pm to SidewalkTiger
Its not, though.
You can put a billboard on I-35 that says any OL that plays at Texas will revive 50K a year. Not directed at any recruit, not a program-led or booster inducement.
Having an official recruiting staff representative tell a potential recruit in person (on camera, lol) that there's money if you come here is a direct inducement.
You can put a billboard on I-35 that says any OL that plays at Texas will revive 50K a year. Not directed at any recruit, not a program-led or booster inducement.
Having an official recruiting staff representative tell a potential recruit in person (on camera, lol) that there's money if you come here is a direct inducement.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:56 pm to ColoradoAg
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I could show you more from Texas, but this site won't show images hosted by Amazon. Believe me it is out there. Just like Saban, all it takes is the snap of a picture from a cell phone, or the record button
Speaking about what an existing player on the team is getting isn't technically a violation.
Different story altogether when you start talking about what a recruit is going to get.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 2:58 pm to SidewalkTiger
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According to Bylaw 12.1.2, an athlete is not eligible for participation in a sport if they have ever taken pay, or the promise of pay, for competing in that sport. This Bylaw is specifically referring to amateurism and goes in hand with the ethical conduct Bylaws 10.01.1 and 10.1-(a). NCAA Bylaw 10.01.1 states that an athlete must act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that they represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards
This is the so-called amaterism bylaw. This is literally the portion of the NCAA's rules that were turned upside down by the Supreme Court case.
The NCAA can no longer disqualify players from playing just because someone pays them money.
Also, you should dog into what constitutes a promise of pay. Hint: an off-hand comment from a recruiter to a group of recruits is not a promise of pay.
A promise of pay would be an agreement between a school and an athlete that says "it's against the rules to pay you whole you're here. But if you play for us, we'll pay you X dollars when you're done."
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:21 pm to Krampus
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This is the so-called amaterism bylaw. This is literally the portion of the NCAA's rules that were turned upside down by the Supreme Court case.
The NCAA can no longer disqualify players from playing just because someone pays them money.
Also, you should dog into what constitutes a promise of pay. Hint: an off-hand comment from a recruiter to a group of recruits is not a promise of pay.
A promise of pay would be an agreement between a school and an athlete that says "it's against the rules to pay you whole you're here. But if you play for us, we'll pay you X dollars when you're done."
You are severely misinformed.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:25 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You are severely misinformed.
I have read the NIL rules. I have seen the video. I know the basics of contract law regarding offer and acceptance.
I see no offers made. Nothing accepted. And no actions by a coach or booster that violate any NCAA rules.
If a booster were to do what the coach did. That would be an NIL violation.
If the coach were to actually reference a specific deal to one or more players, ge would be acting on behalf of a booster, and that would be a violation.
What was shown in the video? No violation.
Prove me wrong if you're so sure you know better than me.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:31 pm to Krampus
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I have read the NIL rules. I have seen the video. I know the basics of contract law regarding offer and acceptance.
I see no offers made. Nothing accepted. And no actions by a coach or booster that violate any NCAA rules.
If a booster were to do what the coach did. That would be an NIL violation.
If the coach were to actually reference a specific deal to one or more players, ge would be acting on behalf of a booster, and that would be a violation.
What was shown in the video? No violation.
Prove me wrong if you're so sure you know better than me.
You're looking at this like a legal issue, where there's an actual burden of proof.
That's not how it works with the NCAA.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You're looking at this like a legal issue, where there's an actual burden of proof.
That's not how it works with the NCAA.
1. I have not mentioned anything about burden of proof.
2. The fact you think I'm talking about burden of proof shows me that your understanding of the issues at hand is limited at best.
3. In the current era where the NCAA is being challenged by the legal system to the point where their very purpose for existing is being called into legimimate question, every issue regarding the NCAA and any action they may or may not take against a school, player, or any other involved entity, is properly examined through a legal lense. Because any move the NCAA makes from here out against anyone, especially if there's money involved, WILL be challenged via the courts. It's a new era amigo.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:39 pm to SidewalkTiger
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That's not how it works with the NCAA.
How does it work with the NCAA?
Because will Wade paid off players and their families with his own bank account and him or LSU still have not received any punishment in what…5 years later?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:39 pm to Krampus
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Because any move the NCAA makes from here out against anyone, especially if there's money involved, WILL be challenged via the courts. It's a new era amigo.
Then why is LSU in trouble?
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:42 pm to JTA1985
To still go 8-4 every year at best.
Posted on 6/30/22 at 4:45 pm to JTA1985
None. Cheating has been rampant for the last decade, and nothing is done about it. At its current pace, the NCAA takes 5 years to make a decision on anything.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 11:47 am to JTA1985
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What kind of penalty will Aggies get?
Top 10 class.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 11:51 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 2:57 pm to Auburn80
NCAA won’t be around it 3 years much less 5
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