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Posted on 10/25/21 at 8:25 am to MackDaddyBrown
Posted on 10/25/21 at 8:25 am to MackDaddyBrown
It's actually what they are mandated to do. Texas A&M and Texas originally had to accept the top 10% of high school graduates. Texas actually went back a decade or so ago and had then tweak this down to top 6% so they could award more scholarships to minorities.
Back when I was there, the population of Texas was 17 million, A&M had about 42k. That's roughly 1 out of every 404 people.
Fast forward to today, 29.145 million people now in Texas, 72k is roughly 1 out of every 404 people.
Unless they change the mandate, they'll need to continue to grow. Texas by not staying with the population is just becoming increasingly selective in admissions. Kids that are probably posting on this very board may not have made the cut today. (Yet ironically approve of the more strict standards?).
Back when I was there, the population of Texas was 17 million, A&M had about 42k. That's roughly 1 out of every 404 people.
Fast forward to today, 29.145 million people now in Texas, 72k is roughly 1 out of every 404 people.
Unless they change the mandate, they'll need to continue to grow. Texas by not staying with the population is just becoming increasingly selective in admissions. Kids that are probably posting on this very board may not have made the cut today. (Yet ironically approve of the more strict standards?).
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 8:31 am to FishFearMe
Without being a complete prick, I'd say that the more people there are in a class, the worse the school.
Harvard takes in around 1650 people a class and Stanford takes around a similar number.
1650 people per year is barely anything compared to some schools that enrol tens of thousands.
Harvard takes in around 1650 people a class and Stanford takes around a similar number.
1650 people per year is barely anything compared to some schools that enrol tens of thousands.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 8:37 am to AmericanPsycho99
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Without being a complete prick, I'd say that the more people there are in a class, the worse the school.
I think this is probably true in general, you’re not being a prick at all.
Maybe not a worse school per se, but it certainly doesn’t lend to a better undergraduate experience, IMO.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 8:48 am to CoachFranWasHere
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I'm too lazy to look this up.
Is that a combined enrollment of undergrad and graduate programs?
Cause that seems to make sense.
If that is just undergrad, holy shite.
Yeah, that counts every student up through graduate and phd, and even exec ed.
TAMU AT A GLANCE
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Total Enrollment (Fall 2020): 71,109
Undergraduates: 56,272
Graduate & Professional: 14,924
UT-Austin has 41,000 undergrads. We have definitely added a bit too much IMO. It was, as noted, by design.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 9:41 am to FishFearMe
UK 30,473-undergrad 22,227
U of L 22,60
WKU 20,171
Transylvania- the school from which UK was spun off-974
Yes, Transylvania is our daddy. They haven't lost a football game in over 50 years.
U of L 22,60
WKU 20,171
Transylvania- the school from which UK was spun off-974
Yes, Transylvania is our daddy. They haven't lost a football game in over 50 years.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 9:45 am to FishFearMe
UK enrolled 31,776 students this Fall. LINK
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 9:48 am
Posted on 10/25/21 at 9:52 am to Texaggie96
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Texas by not staying with the population is just becoming increasingly selective in admissions. Kids that are probably posting on this very board may not have made the cut today. (Yet ironically approve of the more strict standards?).
Why wouldn't we want Texas to become stricter/more prestigious? UT was pretty strict when I applied 12 years ago...multiple people from my class got into A&M & didn't even get waitlisted at Texas.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 9:55 am to texag7
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Was around high 50s to low 60 when I was there
LOL, never gets old.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:13 am to Windy City
Lots of misinformation and misconceptions on this thread.
The number in CS campus is about 66k and that includes a large amount of Grad students (about 56k Undergrad in CS). The 71k number includes Galveston and Qatar. The larger number includes the Law School in Fort Worth and a few others.
It is not easy to get into A&M for regular admissions at all. I know because my son is a HS Senior that desperately wants to go to A&M and we are waiting on his review which involved essays and has been over a month. He was accepted to Tech, LSU, and Arkansas within 2 weeks and he didn't do an essay. He has no shot at the Business or Engineering schools which are extremely difficult to get in.
The admissions rate is a little high for A&M because what they tend to do is offer kids alternative ways to get in. Do a year at Blinn or A&M Corpus. Several probationary programs as well. A&M counts those as "acceptances" even though a lot of kids don't go that route because they would rather go the traditional route and do 4 years at Arkansas or Tech or a number of other good schools (many OOS schools offer in state or partial in state tuition to Texas HS students).
A&M does very little recruiting. They get massive applications without any effort and they have about 93% of Undergrads from the State of Texas which is an insane number. As big as they have gotten they still aren't close to meeting demand because of the growth of the State. Texas has 268 6A High Schools alone, to be a 6A you need 2300 Students. Largest High School is Allen with 4800. For perspective Louisiana has 1 HS that would qualify as 6A and not by much. They actually have 2 Divisions of each Classification so there are 13 State Champions (1-6A plus 6 Man). For instance my son's HS is almost 2900 and they will be in the smaller 6A Division in the Playoffs. It's really hard to fathom just how many people live here and how many HS students.
Texas in Austin is limited because of size at 50k students so they have built up all their satellites basically using the UC model with Austin being Berkeley. UTD, UTSA, UT Arlington are all well over 25k students and all of them qualify to get a piece of that $33 Billion Endowment. A&M has a lot of System schools but only a few (Galveston, Prairie View, and Tarleton) get any of that money and they are all just a few thousand students each.
TLDR. A&M is really big but it isn't a Diploma Mill, it's just the State is pushing 30 million and there are only 3 Tier 1 Universities (Texas, A&M, and Rice) and A&M is the only one that is physically capable of growth. In the meantime Texas HS students are invading the SEC Schools (plus Oklahoma) at an ever increasing rate to meet the demand.
The number in CS campus is about 66k and that includes a large amount of Grad students (about 56k Undergrad in CS). The 71k number includes Galveston and Qatar. The larger number includes the Law School in Fort Worth and a few others.
It is not easy to get into A&M for regular admissions at all. I know because my son is a HS Senior that desperately wants to go to A&M and we are waiting on his review which involved essays and has been over a month. He was accepted to Tech, LSU, and Arkansas within 2 weeks and he didn't do an essay. He has no shot at the Business or Engineering schools which are extremely difficult to get in.
The admissions rate is a little high for A&M because what they tend to do is offer kids alternative ways to get in. Do a year at Blinn or A&M Corpus. Several probationary programs as well. A&M counts those as "acceptances" even though a lot of kids don't go that route because they would rather go the traditional route and do 4 years at Arkansas or Tech or a number of other good schools (many OOS schools offer in state or partial in state tuition to Texas HS students).
A&M does very little recruiting. They get massive applications without any effort and they have about 93% of Undergrads from the State of Texas which is an insane number. As big as they have gotten they still aren't close to meeting demand because of the growth of the State. Texas has 268 6A High Schools alone, to be a 6A you need 2300 Students. Largest High School is Allen with 4800. For perspective Louisiana has 1 HS that would qualify as 6A and not by much. They actually have 2 Divisions of each Classification so there are 13 State Champions (1-6A plus 6 Man). For instance my son's HS is almost 2900 and they will be in the smaller 6A Division in the Playoffs. It's really hard to fathom just how many people live here and how many HS students.
Texas in Austin is limited because of size at 50k students so they have built up all their satellites basically using the UC model with Austin being Berkeley. UTD, UTSA, UT Arlington are all well over 25k students and all of them qualify to get a piece of that $33 Billion Endowment. A&M has a lot of System schools but only a few (Galveston, Prairie View, and Tarleton) get any of that money and they are all just a few thousand students each.
TLDR. A&M is really big but it isn't a Diploma Mill, it's just the State is pushing 30 million and there are only 3 Tier 1 Universities (Texas, A&M, and Rice) and A&M is the only one that is physically capable of growth. In the meantime Texas HS students are invading the SEC Schools (plus Oklahoma) at an ever increasing rate to meet the demand.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:15 am to FishFearMe
75k 
Jesus christ
Jesus christ
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:17 am to Texaggie96
Huh. I didn't realize that was a set in stone thing since as you said we changed the auto admit percentage. But I guess it does make sense because of the population growth.
Is y'alls engineering school more selective at least? Like when I went to school it was still top 10%, but the individual colleges could have stricter admission requirements. Like I think McCombs did it where they'd only fill a certain number of seats with auto admits, so the cutoff for that was like top 5% and then a "holistic selection process" for the rest. I know our engineering school did something like that too.
Edit: answered by aggressor
Is y'alls engineering school more selective at least? Like when I went to school it was still top 10%, but the individual colleges could have stricter admission requirements. Like I think McCombs did it where they'd only fill a certain number of seats with auto admits, so the cutoff for that was like top 5% and then a "holistic selection process" for the rest. I know our engineering school did something like that too.
Edit: answered by aggressor
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:17 am to FishFearMe
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Texas A&M 73,284 in College Station
That's a lot of future donors to the Foundation!
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:20 am to paperwasp
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Yeah, I don’t know if you’ve been following it, but Alabama has been going through an influx of mostly northeastern kids too.
The student body and campus in general is markedly different than it used to be (and some would say for the worse).
Yeah I mean its good and bad. I mean the campus can only really expand so far. Its neat to see all the stuff going on around the old Bryce hospital but the amount of condos that have been built is going to make it so the area around campus loses some of its charm. I mean Hackberry used to be a bunch of 2-3 bedroom houses now its all condos. The neighborhood on the West side of campus is still mostly the same but there are several condos invading there too. I THINK the city council has put a stop to anymore condos going in around there
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:21 am to TexasForever
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Why wouldn't we want Texas to become stricter/more prestigious?
Because UT-Austin is basically a state asset and if it is not serving the needs of all Texans adequately funding should be shifted.
I am all fine for UT to fake it until they make it as a upper-tier public in the likes of Cal or UCLA as long as we invest in better alternatives for Texas high school grads. We don't that have at the moment. UC-Davis was ranked higher than Texas-Austin in the various US News stats . . . . .that show you the depth of Cal Publics and if Texas had 10+ highly credentialed awesome alternatives to the Flagship campuses, go for it.
We don't though and I can totally see the argument for cutting down Texas's share of the PUF to invest in other areas at this point.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:21 am to AmericanPsycho99
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Without being a complete prick, I'd say that the more people there are in a class, the worse the school.
Harvard takes in around 1650 people a class and Stanford takes around a similar number.
1650 people per year is barely anything compared to some schools that enrol tens of thousands.
In general I think this is true but if you go to a school like A&M it is really schools within the school. Many folks spend all their time in their college outside of a few classes and football games. It's all about how you manage the growth. At A&M they have made a huge effort to limit classes that are over 100 students and they are very rare after Freshman year. I spent 2 hours walking steadily around the campus with my son on Saturday showing him around and we probably hit 30-40% of it tops. Schools like Stanford or Harvard or even Texas-Austin are very land limited, you just can't spread out enough to make a good environment for a lot more students.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:25 am to FishFearMe
The University of Georgia's total enrollment (undergrad+grad) is around 39,000 according to what I saw.
The 2021 incoming freshman class (5,800) has an average of 4.0 GPA/30 ACT scores. That's highly selective.
When I was a student at UGA, we only had around 18,000-20,000 students total. That was a loooooong time ago.
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The 2021 incoming freshman class (5,800) has an average of 4.0 GPA/30 ACT scores. That's highly selective.
When I was a student at UGA, we only had around 18,000-20,000 students total. That was a loooooong time ago.
LINK
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:27 am to MackDaddyBrown
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Huh. I didn't realize that was a set in stone thing since as you said we changed the auto admit percentage. But I guess it does make sense because of the population growth.
Is y'alls engineering school more selective at least? Like when I went to school it was still top 10%, but the individual colleges could have stricter admission requirements. Like I think McCombs did it where they'd only fill a certain number of seats with auto admits, so the cutoff for that was like top 5% and then a "holistic selection process" for the rest. I know our engineering school did something like that too.
Very much so. You have to declare a college in your application. I know many kids that got in for Liberal Arts that had nothing close to kids who applied for Engineering or Business and were denied. Texas is the same way but a bit more extreme. I know a girl last year that applied to A&M for Business and was denied but was accepted at Texas for English and is going to school in Austin.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:28 am to MackDaddyBrown
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Why do you guys root for this shite?
Aggie has a MUCH NICER and MUCH LARGER campus that you sippy
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:31 am to Windy City
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Why wouldn't we want Texas to become stricter/more prestigious?
Because UT-Austin is basically a state asset and if it is not serving the needs of all Texans adequately funding should be shifted.
I am all fine for UT to fake it until they make it as a upper-tier public in the likes of Cal or UCLA as long as we invest in better alternatives for Texas high school grads. We don't that have at the moment. UC-Davis was ranked higher than Texas-Austin in the various US News stats . . . . .that show you the depth of Cal Publics and if Texas had 10+ highly credentialed awesome alternatives to the Flagship campuses, go for it.
We don't though and I can totally see the argument for cutting down Texas's share of the PUF to invest in other areas at this point.
The way they are getting around this is they are spending that PUF money on the other UT schools (UTSA, UT Dallas, UT Arlington, UTEP, UT Tyler as well as the Medical schools with the new one in Austin, Southwestern in Dallas, and of course MD Anderson in Houston. The endowment dollars per student is actually about the same between Texas-Austin and A&M in the end.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:33 am to FishFearMe
Missouri - 31,121
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