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Posted on 8/18/22 at 5:05 pm to GetCocky11
You big mad cause your coach is a likes and shares guy.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 9:51 pm to FireDanMullen
He would win a title at both schools. The only school he wouldn't win a title at is Vandy in the SEC. It is certainly not next to impossible. Arkansas hasn't had a coach worth a shite since Ken Hatfield. Kentucky is a basketball school that didn't put much emphasis on football until recently.
Posted on 8/18/22 at 11:03 pm to FireDanMullen
Kirby Smart played at Georgia. Arkansas didn't hire good coaches because they didn't try. The same happened with basketball when Nolan Richardson got fired. Here is the list of head coaches in football since 1990.
Jack Crowe. He was fired in the first game of 1992 to the Citadel. A rushed hire after Hatfield left for Clemson.
Danny check collector Ford. Ran from Clemson when the NCAA was investigating. Came to Arkansas as a consultant but he needed a check and so Frank made sure he got one. Got Arkansas to the SEC title game after losing to SMU in the beginning of the year. He wasn't a good coach unless he cheated unless Frank allowed him but that didn't happen.
Houston Nutt. Average at best and wasn't qualified for the job when Arkansas didn't do a proper candidate interview process. Instead they had a search committee of former players pick out the coach. Not very professional when the AD should be the one picking the best candidate.
Bobby Petrino. A good hire that took teams to 10 and 11 win seasons with mediocre recruiting. Arkansas was pre-season top 10 headed into 2012 before the crash. The hiring process was a clown show. Bobby's agent was calling at Arkansas but no one was answering until they did. Petrino wanted the job but Arkansas I assume wasn't interested at first.
Fat Bert. He left Wisconsin before he was beginning to get his seat hot for not winning the big games. Wrote a love letter to AD Jeff Long. Terrible fit who talked trash on Twitter and bragged about how he was more successful than Saban in the Big 10. First Arkansas head coach to go winless in the SEC when it wasn't necessary. Got bigger and his problems with the bottle is what got him. He was exposed as a fraud.
Chad Morris. AD Jeff Long was fired for unknown reasons. Speculation is that Arkansas boosters got involved in the hiring process and had a committee of former Arkansas players from different sports make the hire for both coach and AD positions. Chad Morris was hired before current AD Hunter Yuracheck. That is messed up. The Chad Morris hire was met with negative responses from Arkansas fans. The Arkansas media did what they could to polish that turd.
Sam Pittman. Everyone laughed that Arkansas was so bad that all they could do is at best hire an offensive line coach. Wins three SEC games his first year. But that was a fluke, Arkansas would struggle to go bowling the next year as the SEC wouldn't be off guard this time. Goes 9-4. How many programs go from winning two games to nine games in a few years? Not many. Sam Pittman is the best Arkansas head coach since Ken Hatfield. When Arkansas hired a good AD in turn they hired a good coach. For the first time in decades, Arkansas is finally getting serious about football and basketball.
Jack Crowe. He was fired in the first game of 1992 to the Citadel. A rushed hire after Hatfield left for Clemson.
Danny check collector Ford. Ran from Clemson when the NCAA was investigating. Came to Arkansas as a consultant but he needed a check and so Frank made sure he got one. Got Arkansas to the SEC title game after losing to SMU in the beginning of the year. He wasn't a good coach unless he cheated unless Frank allowed him but that didn't happen.
Houston Nutt. Average at best and wasn't qualified for the job when Arkansas didn't do a proper candidate interview process. Instead they had a search committee of former players pick out the coach. Not very professional when the AD should be the one picking the best candidate.
Bobby Petrino. A good hire that took teams to 10 and 11 win seasons with mediocre recruiting. Arkansas was pre-season top 10 headed into 2012 before the crash. The hiring process was a clown show. Bobby's agent was calling at Arkansas but no one was answering until they did. Petrino wanted the job but Arkansas I assume wasn't interested at first.
Fat Bert. He left Wisconsin before he was beginning to get his seat hot for not winning the big games. Wrote a love letter to AD Jeff Long. Terrible fit who talked trash on Twitter and bragged about how he was more successful than Saban in the Big 10. First Arkansas head coach to go winless in the SEC when it wasn't necessary. Got bigger and his problems with the bottle is what got him. He was exposed as a fraud.
Chad Morris. AD Jeff Long was fired for unknown reasons. Speculation is that Arkansas boosters got involved in the hiring process and had a committee of former Arkansas players from different sports make the hire for both coach and AD positions. Chad Morris was hired before current AD Hunter Yuracheck. That is messed up. The Chad Morris hire was met with negative responses from Arkansas fans. The Arkansas media did what they could to polish that turd.
Sam Pittman. Everyone laughed that Arkansas was so bad that all they could do is at best hire an offensive line coach. Wins three SEC games his first year. But that was a fluke, Arkansas would struggle to go bowling the next year as the SEC wouldn't be off guard this time. Goes 9-4. How many programs go from winning two games to nine games in a few years? Not many. Sam Pittman is the best Arkansas head coach since Ken Hatfield. When Arkansas hired a good AD in turn they hired a good coach. For the first time in decades, Arkansas is finally getting serious about football and basketball.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 2:14 am to GetCocky11
Whatever. Just don’t respect them and reassess at the end of the season. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:55 am to ptclaus98
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He'd never be given the time at any of those schools. He's old school in that he's built that program year on year, focusing on defense and the running game, building relationships in and out of state for recruiting. It took time, and is part of the reason why I don't think he leaves for a job where they need an overhaul. He's built it just like Ferentz at Iowa, and some years it will come good, some years it won't but I don't think it'll go back to doormat bad for them while he's there
I think the Ferentz/Iowa comparison is a good one. That's about what I see Kentucky being under Stoops. Always solid with the occasional really good year.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:08 am to dchog
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Kentucky is a basketball school that didn't put much emphasis on football until recently.
Not true
UK has had some impressive football coaches in it's long history. It was the first school in the current SEC to actually play the game. Problem arises that they do not produce enough in state talented must go out of state. Historically this meant recruiting the state of Georgia where they were crowded out by other SEC schools. What Stoops has done is go north into Ohio (a Top 5 state for recruiting) and broken into the Ohio State recruiting monopoly.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:26 am to dchog
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He would win a title at both schools.
Lol there is no evidence to back this up. You simply want to believe your school could win a championship. Saban has only won championships at blue chip programs with incredible talent that came to play for him AND the schools. You can bitch about Arkansas’ poor coaching hires all you want (I’m a Florida fan I know all about bad coaching) you cannot convince me you have an elite program or ever will. You are not LSU or Alabama.
Also, I love Sam Pittman as a coach, but There’s a massive difference between winning 9 games and winning championships. No team in this conference has done it without blue chip recruiting. And Arkansas will never recruit at that level bc they aren’t a blue chip program.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:36 am to dchog
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He would win a title at both schools. The only school he wouldn't win a title at is Vandy in the SEC. It is certainly not next to impossible.
I’d advise you to look up “blue chip ratio” of recruiting talent for the national champions from the last 20 years. They all have a high percentage of talent that Arkansas isn’t coming close to. You don’t have the in-state talent or the national prestige to recruit at elite levels.
To say you’d have a championship with the right coach is utterly absurd. UGA has massive advantages to Arkansas, has had good to great coaching for the last 20 years, elite recruiting and still just won their first championship in 40 years. You are grossly oversimplifying the entire structure of college football. Arkansas is a solid program but they will never compete for national titles. End of story.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:05 am to FireDanMullen
Let's be totally honest here: Schools dominating High School recruiting in South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas have a huge advantage over everyone else because of demographics. The flagship universities of these states are likely to dominate college football for a long time unless they do something to screw up things. The only exception to this rule is Mississippi, because of a smaller overall population and the presence of 3 major Div 1 programs. A substantial percentage of recruits prefer to stay closer to home, and a flagship program in these states will take advantage of this fact to maintain a major edge over competitors. This is why I think you will continue to see the Big 5 of the SEC (Georgia, Bama, Auburn, LSU, Florida) , occasionally joined by USCe or one of the Texas schools win the title most years into the foreseeable future.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:59 am to FireDanMullen
I know where the players are in this nation. Most football programs have to rely on out of state recruits to replenish the rosters. Arkansas has historically relied on other states for recruits. Arkansas fans know this so this isn't some shocking information you are giving. But despite the lack of instate talent, the state of Arkansas is still surrounded by states that do. Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi and Louisiana. The state of Arkansas isn't Alaska that is in the middle of nowhere on an island. Arkansas doesn't have the national prestige because they haven't had the coaching that could build them to that status.
It isn't absurd to say a program with the right coach can win a title. Get the right coach and they will get the players. This is a nation of of ov 300 million souls, go find them.
Georgia has always had massive advantages before Mark Richt was hired because of the state population. I remember them being very average on par with Arkansas. Arkansas has beaten them a couple of times in bowl games and they certainly were no dynasty then. Yes Georgia had good coaching and recruiting for 20 years but before Richt arrived, they struggled. I'm not over grossly simplifying anything. Get the right coach that will get the right players and you will win. That is it and nothing else matters. Yes Arkansas is a solid program but never say never for a title. The story hasn't ended. We still have a few chapters to go.
It isn't absurd to say a program with the right coach can win a title. Get the right coach and they will get the players. This is a nation of of ov 300 million souls, go find them.
Georgia has always had massive advantages before Mark Richt was hired because of the state population. I remember them being very average on par with Arkansas. Arkansas has beaten them a couple of times in bowl games and they certainly were no dynasty then. Yes Georgia had good coaching and recruiting for 20 years but before Richt arrived, they struggled. I'm not over grossly simplifying anything. Get the right coach that will get the right players and you will win. That is it and nothing else matters. Yes Arkansas is a solid program but never say never for a title. The story hasn't ended. We still have a few chapters to go.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:18 am to dchog
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Georgia has always had massive advantages before Mark Richt was hired because of the state population. I remember them being very average on par with Arkansas. Arkansas has beaten them a couple of times in bowl games and they certainly were no dynasty then. Yes Georgia had good coaching and recruiting for 20 years but before Richt arrived, they struggled.
This is getting ridiculous. Football has changed so much in the last 30 years. You are literally referencing Arkansas bowl games against Georgia from the 60s and 70s that happened 50 YEARS AGO as if that is relevant today. The entire landscape of the game is completely different. You are actually referring back to a time period pre-weight lifting in college football to try to make a point. When 160 lb Jerry Jones was an All American linemen lol. Arkansas hasn’t been relevant as a football power since before weight lifting was Implemented into American culture and football.
The game is completely different today. Recruiting has gone nuclear. You have to have elite depth to compete in a 15 game schedule. This isn’t even the 80s and 90s when BYU, Colorado, Georgia Tech could compete with the big boys. The elite schools are pulling MASSIVE recruiting depth. You are arguing against all logic and reasoning bc you want your team to win a championship. It isn’t realistic. That is literally just the facts of life.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:29 am to dchog
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Arkansas doesn't have the national prestige because they haven't had the coaching that could build them to that status.
You can literally say that about every middle tier program in the country. It doesn’t mean anything.
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Get the right coach that will get the right players and you will win. That is it and nothing else matters.
Nothing else matters? So Saban left Michigan State for LSU for what reason exactly? Because LSU has some of the best in state recruiting in the country? Maybe that’s why? Maybe that’s why Tom Herman went from Houston to Texas? Urban Meyer went from Utah to Florida?
Arkansas is not an elite program man, this has turned into me just shitting on the hogs which really wasn’t my intention at all. I have nothing against them, acting like you guys are a sleeping giant when you haven’t been a national Power in 50 years is absurd tho. Like it’s borderline delusional. You are maybe the 7th most desirable program IN THIS CONFERENCE. The bottom line is you need to have elite recruiting depth to win a championship in 2022 and Arkansas has never recruited at that level EVER. If Pittman starts pulling top 10 classes then I will tell you there is a chance bc he’s a hell of a coach. Until then, no freaking way.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:30 am to BigBlue8Titles
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A substantial percentage of recruits prefer to stay closer to home, and a flagship program in these states will take advantage of this fact to maintain a major edge over competitors. This is why I think you will continue to see the Big 5 of the SEC (Georgia, Bama, Auburn, LSU, Florida) , occasionally joined by USCe or one of the Texas schools win the title most years into the foreseeable future.
This dude gets it.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:34 am to FireDanMullen
Football programs aren't born powerhouses and hall of fame coaches don't grow on trees. You have to start somewhere and it begins with coaching and ends with the players. It happened before and it certainly can happen again. LSU historically has never been a blue chip program on par with Bama. Now that is absurd. No one in the SEC is. Saban did have talent to work with at LSU but still he had to elevate the program to heights they haven't seen in along time. He can do the same with other programs who have a want and desire to get better in football. Well the bitching is justified don't you agree that bad hires are a result as to the condition that Arkansas is in?
You love him until he wins more games than he should. Then it becomes serious business. Going from three wins to nine wins is a huge jump. That requires some level of coaching and talent. We will never know until Arkansas tries right? The evidence is still clear though, they haven't tried hard enough except going out of the way making excuses. Again never say never.
You love him until he wins more games than he should. Then it becomes serious business. Going from three wins to nine wins is a huge jump. That requires some level of coaching and talent. We will never know until Arkansas tries right? The evidence is still clear though, they haven't tried hard enough except going out of the way making excuses. Again never say never.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:51 am to dchog
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Football programs aren't born powerhouses and hall of fame coaches don't grow on trees. You have to start somewhere and it begins with coaching and ends with the players. It happened before and it certainly can happen again
Name me a national champion in the last 25 years that is recruiting at Arkansas’ current level. You can’t. Because the game is different today. You are playing 15 games instead of 10, unlike when Arkansas was relevant. You need elite depth. That is the game today.
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Going from three wins to nine wins is a huge jump. That requires some level of coaching and talent.
It’s very impressive. Does it warrant saying you will win a national title? Ugh no. Didn’t Houston Nutt take you guys from 4 wins to 9 wins in his first year as your coach? Does that merit him being able to coach you to a national title? Lol. Mullen took us from 4 wins to 10 wins his first year and then 11 wins his second year. Too bad he doesn’t recruit at an elite level, look at us now lol.
You are very biased towards your team, I respect it. It’s not realistic tho. The evidence supports Arkansas never winning a championship. Pittman will have you guys going 8-4/9-3 very regularly and you guys will have some solid 10-2 seasons some years. No way are you guys competing for championships until he’s pulling top 10 classes. If he starts Pulling top 10 classes he has a shot. Until then, literally ALL empirical evidence supports my view and you are just being a biased fan.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:55 am to FireDanMullen
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FireDanMullen
Hire him back
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:11 pm to GetCocky11
Wrong OP, they also beat at the time #10 Gators and #15 Iowa.
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