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What has Kentucky done to "earn" respect in football?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:05 pm
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“I’ve talked years ago about climate versus culture,” Stoops told SEC Network during an interview filmed at SEC Media Days last month. “It’s easy to change a climate. You can change a uniform, talk a little game, dance around, put on some stupid sunglasses. You can change a climate. But to change a culture is at the core and I’m quite certain that we’ve changed our culture.”
Kentucky was 10-3/5-3 last year. Their non-conference schedule was ULM (4-8), UT-Chatt (6-5), New Mex State (2-10), and Louisville (6-7).
They beat one team that finished ranked, Iowa in the bowl game. Iowa finished ranked 23.
Kentucky was 5-6/4-6 in 2020 and 8-5/5-3 in 2019. Again, 2019 was highlighted by an equally weak non-con schedule and 0 wins over teams that finished ranked.
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Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:09 pm to GetCocky11
GetCocky11 is mad online because Daddy Stoops said stuff
Lulz
Lulz
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:19 pm to GetCocky11
If they were a top team they wouldn't have earned anything.
But what Kentucky has done is solidly moved into the "very good" team range as a program.
Since 2016, they have had winning seasons in 5 of the 6 seasons (with the only losing year being a 5-6 year in the covid year). They have two 10 win seasons in that range.
Here is the list of SEC teams who have also done that or better (2+ 10 win seasons, 1 or less losing seasons since 2016).
Bama.
UGA.
LSU.
Texas A&M has no losing seasons (better than UK), but no 10+ win seasons (where UK has 2).
For comparison SC has 0 10+ win seasons and 3 losing seasons in that timeframe.
UK has turned themselves into a solid program that is constantly good... but they're not going to win a national title. That's still an accomplishment.
But what Kentucky has done is solidly moved into the "very good" team range as a program.
Since 2016, they have had winning seasons in 5 of the 6 seasons (with the only losing year being a 5-6 year in the covid year). They have two 10 win seasons in that range.
Here is the list of SEC teams who have also done that or better (2+ 10 win seasons, 1 or less losing seasons since 2016).
Bama.
UGA.
LSU.
Texas A&M has no losing seasons (better than UK), but no 10+ win seasons (where UK has 2).
For comparison SC has 0 10+ win seasons and 3 losing seasons in that timeframe.
UK has turned themselves into a solid program that is constantly good... but they're not going to win a national title. That's still an accomplishment.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:21 pm to DawginSC
Jesus! You just body bagged him
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:24 pm to DawginSC
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Texas A&M has no losing seasons (better than UK), but no 10+ win seasons (where UK has 2).
One team plays a SEC West schedule, the other plays a SEC East schedule.
Both teams generally have crappy non-conference schedules, although A&M did play @ Clemson a few years ago.
Jimbo's won 63% of his SEC games at A&M & Stoops has won 50% of his in that same timeframe with an easier division.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:28 pm to GetCocky11
What do you expect the guy to say when he's auditioning for likely job openings? He's trying to show FSU he can change their culture and they should open up the vault for him after the season.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:30 pm to DawginSC
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If they were a top team they wouldn't have earned anything.
But what Kentucky has done is solidly moved into the "very good" team range as a program.
Since 2016, they have had winning seasons in 5 of the 6 seasons (with the only losing year being a 5-6 year in the covid year). They have two 10 win seasons in that range.
Here is the list of SEC teams who have also done that or better (2+ 10 win seasons, 1 or less losing seasons since 2016).
Bama.
UGA.
LSU.
Texas A&M has no losing seasons (better than UK), but no 10+ win seasons (where UK has 2).
For comparison SC has 0 10+ win seasons and 3 losing seasons in that timeframe.
UK has turned themselves into a solid program that is constantly good... but they're not going to win a national title. That's still an accomplishment.
That pretty well covers it I think.
I'll also add that we've won four bowls in a row (2 Citrus, 1 Belk, 1 Gator) and have beat #17 Iowa (B1G West Champs), #24 NC State, Virginia Tech, and #13 Penn State. So it's also translated to the post-season.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:31 pm to GetCocky11
At least South Carolina has a winning record against Kentucky. We haven't done much but it's still better than Kensucky.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:31 pm to GetCocky11
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One team plays a SEC West schedule, the other plays a SEC East schedule.
A&M having SC as a permanent opponent may have offset that a bit.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:33 pm to GetCocky11
Are you kidding? Kentucky (under Stoops) has earned a ton of respect for the football culture they have built.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:33 pm to SOSFAN
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At least South Carolina has a winning record against Kentucky. We haven't done much but it's still better than Kensucky.
And in the last 6 years they're 5-1 against SC.
They've moved past you.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:35 pm to DawginSC
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And in the last 6 years they're 5-1 against SC.
Literally their only accomplishment.
Has Stoops ever beaten a team in the regular season that finished the season ranked? Maybe a win over Louisville in the early days?
I don't care about bowls, they're pointless.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:43 pm to GetCocky11
It’s Kentucky. They were an absolute dumpster fire when he took over. They are a respectable program now
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:44 pm to GetCocky11
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Has Stoops ever beaten a team in the regular season that finished the season ranked?
Iowa last year. State, Florida, and Penn State in 2018. Louisville in 2016.
Why wouldn't bowl games count?
And we're talking about Kentucky, not a major football program who is expected to beat a bunch of top 25 teams. I don't know how anyone can look at what he's done there and think it's not impressive in the slightest. No one at Kentucky has won like he has the past 5 years since Bear Bryant
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:03 pm to lsufball19
Stoops has been Rich Brooks but a better recruiter.
Rich Brooks might be the most underappreciated coach in SEC history. His last 4 seasons they went 30-22 (12-20) and went to 4 straight bowls. Of those 22 losses, 15 were to ranked teams (11 of them Top 15 teams).
Mark Stoops last 4 years - 33-17 (17-17) (in a much worse SEC East than 2006-2009). Of those 17 losses, 10 were to ranked teams.
Rich Brooks might be the most underappreciated coach in SEC history. His last 4 seasons they went 30-22 (12-20) and went to 4 straight bowls. Of those 22 losses, 15 were to ranked teams (11 of them Top 15 teams).
Mark Stoops last 4 years - 33-17 (17-17) (in a much worse SEC East than 2006-2009). Of those 17 losses, 10 were to ranked teams.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:05 pm to GetCocky11
You can’t be a respectable program and have a losing record to Mississippi State.
Programs with a losing record to Mississippi state:
-Vanderbilt
-Kentucky
-Texas A&M
Programs with a losing record to Mississippi state:
-Vanderbilt
-Kentucky
-Texas A&M
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:12 pm to cbi8
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You can’t be a respectable program and have a losing record to Mississippi State.
Programs with a losing record to Mississippi state:
-Vanderbilt
-Kentucky
-Texas A&M
So you're going to look at all-time series records against 1 team to show how a team who used to be doormat isn't respectable now? Seriously?
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:18 pm to lsufball19
Yea, you fart sniffer. If LSU doesn’t watch out, they’re next. Just need 41 losses in a row.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:40 pm to DawginSC
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But what Kentucky has done is solidly moved into the "very good" team range as a program.
I'd wait for another two years of 9 or 10+ wins before I put them into that range, but they're definitely trending that direction. There is no reason Kentucky can't challenge for an Eastern division title year in and year out. Stoops is a damn good coach. You have Georgia and Tenner to contend with this year. I don't see Florida beating Kentucky. SCAR should be a victory, of course Vandy and Mizz. If they can beat Georgia, Kentucky would clean house in the portal. If they beat Tenner, they'll take the east. I'd love to see it.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:45 pm to DawginSC
Never say never. Kentucky can win it in the right circumstances if they continue to hire the right coaches.
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