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re: What exactly do y'all want to happen here?

Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
3076 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 12:56 pm to
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Then you admitted that you have no idea how they actually got home


I wasn’t a witness… I’m betting the police ask the witnesses and checked the videos.

Guess who was a witness? The police seem satisfied that he didn’t drive the get away car
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55371 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:03 pm to
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Intent remains the issue. Proving that Miller had the intent to assist Miles and Davis in the commission of the murder would be difficult.


Intent has nothing to do with that law.

3) Having a legal duty to prevent the commission of the offense, he/she fails to make an effort he/she is legally required to make. (CHECK)

He did not seek to prevent it by not refusing to give him the gun.

Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55371 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:04 pm to
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you would still be okay if Miller had not pulled up with the gun in his car, correct?


That's correct.
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
17302 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:06 pm to
At some point, University of Alabama officials became aware that Brandon Miller received a text from Miles asking him to bring him his gun because someone was "fakin'". Miller immediately transports the gun to the scene. Miles gets in Miller's car, hands the gun to Davis, and Davis immediately begins shooting. Miller flees the scene. Miller does not report the incident to law enforcement, despite the fact that his car has two bullet holes in it.

Forget about everything else we don't know. Those facts alone are enough for any DA to indict someone in Miller's situation. That's a fact. As soon as Bama knew he was involved he should have been suspended, at a minimum, at least until such time as Bama completed it's own investigation. But that time has passed. They chose to turn a blind eye because Miller is the star player on the #1 team.

What do I want to happen now? Nothing. They had their chance to do the right thing at the outset. They've shown their true colors. I hope they play him for the rest of the season and get crucified in the media for the POS institution they are.
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
3076 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:06 pm to
Comical and dumb..

Don’t quit your day job and start trying to give legal opinions.

Once again! Dumb
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
50605 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:11 pm to
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Intent has nothing to do with that law.

That’s incorrect. Read the entirety of Section 13A-2-23 again. It says: “A person is legally accountable for the behavior of another constituting a criminal offense if, with the intent to promote or assist the commission of the offense” before listing the items 1-3. Intent is a core requirement of that section.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31645 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:14 pm to
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However, some of it, including an explanation of what additional evidence/information was considered regarding why the DA chose not to prosecute Miller given the testimony of the detective, seems like fair game and appropriate right now.


Someone needs to question the DA presiding over this case. Where's Steve Marshall (Attny General) or Senators Tommy Tuberville/Katie Britt or any of the 9 Alabama Congressmen or Governor Ivey. Absent any of those people directly questioning the decision of the DA & Judge, I fail to see how someone from the fanbase can do anything to get the answers so many rival fans on a message board seek?
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54836 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:21 pm to
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Someone needs to question the DA presiding over this case. Where's Steve Marshall (Attny General) or Senators Tommy Tuberville/Katie Britt or any of the 9 Alabama Congressmen or Governor Ivey.
There isn’t anything yet to openly suggest impropriety such that the AGs office might intervene. Typically these things are investigated and asked by reporters.

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Absent any of those people directly questioning the decision of the DA & Judge, I fail to see how someone from the fanbase can do anything to get the answers so many rival fans on a message board seek?
Nothing really. I guess the continued interest and clicks may drive reporters to do their jobs.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
65884 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:36 pm to
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Guess who was a witness? The police seem satisfied that he didn’t drive the get away car





They haven't said that at all.
Posted by cmayes56
Alabama
Member since Oct 2015
3076 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:45 pm to
Their actions say so dumbass.. lol

Davis went to the hospital.. you reckon Brandon dropped him off at the Emergency room door?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
65884 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:50 pm to
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Their actions say so dumbass.. lol


Not really.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85779 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 1:54 pm to
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The argument has been made that Miller knew the gun was to be used for "improper purposes", which is the EXACT same argument leftards use to support gun confiscation... Miller simply returned the item to it's rightful owner when that owner asked for it, right? Nothing more.



This is just such a massive reach and it doesn't really follow anyway

Regardless, my issue remains the recklessness of his conduct and whether you allow a guy like that to continue representing your school considering he - at minimum - negligently facilitated a murder.

If Alabama were to suspend a player because he brought a gun to a guy he very likely knew might use it in a dispute - what do you think happens next? BAM that's right the ATF kicks in your door and takes all your guns and declares martial law.

Do you want that people, do you?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69271 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:02 pm to
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Regardless, my issue remains the recklessness of his conduct and whether you allow a guy like that to continue representing your school considering he - at minimum - negligently facilitated a murder.



Based on what?

The DA could easily have charged Miller with negligent homicide if this were the case.

quote:

Under the Code of Alabama Section 13A-2-2, criminal negligence is defined as failing to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the result will occur or that the circumstance exists.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25414 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:04 pm to
Not a troll question. Has Brandon Miller undergone any therapy since the murder? I would think that playing part in the death of someone like this would weigh heavily on someone. I hope he is being given help.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85779 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:07 pm to
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Based on what?

The DA could easily have charged Miller with negligent homicide if this were the case.



I'm not really talking bout criminal conduct. Although certainly I think the code section is applicable. I don't think the DA not charging him is compelling, considering the circumstances. But I also don't know what Alabama case law says about negligent homicide.

Regardless, my point is that he was at minimum reckless/negligent under any practical definition, and at almost any other school he's held accountable for that. He knew his buddy was in a dispute and his buddy was aggressively texting about it when asking for his weapon in the middle of the night. Bringing a guy a gun in that scenario is just insane for any reasonable person. Criminal? Perhaps not. But you just can't have student athletes doing that.

The simple fact is that if he'd told his buddy to catch an uber and that he would meet him at his house to drop off the gun, that woman is alive.
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
17302 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:10 pm to
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Miller simply returned the item to it's rightful owner when that owner asked for it, right? Nothing more.


Do you really want to die on this hill? As another poster pointed out, context matters. Pretend you are Brandon Miller and I am your friend. If I send you a text that says, bring me my gun, I'm about to blow my brains out, are you going to say, well, he's the lawful owner, I guess I have no choice? If I'm drunk off my arse and demand that you hand me my car keys so I can drive home, are you going to say, well, he's the lawful owner of the car. I guess I have no choice? Your argument is disingenuous and I hope you're intelligent enough to realize that. If you aren't, I'm surprised you've managed to live as long as you have.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:10 pm to
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Handing a firearm to someone who then murders someone is a big problem.

That's why Miles is being prosecuted for it, but not Miller.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7571 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:18 pm to
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Forget about everything else we don't know. Those facts alone are enough for any DA to indict someone in Miller's situation


But he hasn't been indicted or arrested.

So what exactly do you want to happen? Law enforcement said he broke no laws. The team doesn't have any rules he broke.

So what exactly is he supposed to be punished for?

UGA suspends players for unpaid parking tickets. Is that the "right thing"? No, of course not. It's not worth a suspension. But since an arrest happens they suspend the player.

They don't suspend players who break no team rules and aren't arrested. Why? Because there's no basis for suspension. Doing something stupid doesn't get you suspended unless you break a team rule or get arrested.

Is it stupid to deliver a gun or a machete or a knife or a nail gun to its owner at 2 AM? Yeah. Tell them to wait until morning.

Is it illegal? Apparently not.
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
17302 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:27 pm to
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quote:
Forget about everything else we don't know. Those facts alone are enough for any DA to indict someone in Miller's situation



But he hasn't been indicted or arrested.

So what exactly do you want to happen? Law enforcement said he broke no laws.


No, they did not say that. The DA said they don't have enough evidence, in their mind, to indict him. I can tell you for a fact that they do have enough to indict him, but putting that aside, you're conflating the burden of proof in a criminal case with a state university's response to this incident.

I said what should have happened. It did not. And it will be a permanent stain on the University of Alabama's reputation. What good does it do to suspend him now? You haven't taught Brandon Miller a lesson. You haven't shown the family of the victim that you give a damn. All you've done is try to stop the bleeding after being called out for who you are.

Chris Webber was a great basketball player, college and pro. What's the first thing that comes to mind when you hear his name? The timeout call, right? He will never live it down for the rest of his life. I hope Alabama makes the Final Four for the first time in program history with this cloud over the program, because it is all anyone will remember.
Posted by Woody4daTide9
Member since Sep 2022
1102 posts
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:32 pm to
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