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re: What does Nick Saban do that is so different from other coaches?
Posted on 10/27/13 at 9:18 am to weagle99
Posted on 10/27/13 at 9:18 am to weagle99
i think gus is going to do great at a uburn. may take a couple years to really get going but as long as he's got a good defensive staff (ellis johnson) and recruits well they will be in good position. one of the games i think we lose next year unfortunately.
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Posted on 10/27/13 at 9:36 am to StringedInstruments
Saban cuts players with more zeal and vigor than the NFL does
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:06 pm to thatdude1985
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I'm glad a UGA fan can be the authority on this subject since you have so much experience in awesomeness.
I know; I know: 28-32 and 30-41.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:11 pm to RandySavage
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Steve Spurrier LOLs at that notion.
Steve Spurrier also coached in a time when there was no parity in the SEC. There were essentially 3 teams in the SEC during the early and mid-90s.
1. Florida
2. Tennessee
3. Alabama
All of the other teams in the conference ranged from average to downright terrible. And as dominant as Florida was during this period, they were only the second best team in the state of Florida.
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:13 pm to RandySavage
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2 conference titles in 6 years is "dominating"? Steve Spurrier LOLs at that notion.
Upvote.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:18 pm to Choctaw Hog
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Don't believe it? Just go look at his record at Michigan State.
There's a problem with holding Saban's Michigan State and LSU days against him. Some people think that he needs elite talent, control, and the best resources to win big, yet they're basing that off the years when Saban was still developing "the process". Honestly, do you think Saban hasn't learned anything since he left LSU? Is he the same coach he was back in the 90's when he coached at Michigan State?
The notion that he hasn't developed as a coach over the past two decades is absurd. Alabama isn't perfect, and the same is true for all other programs. Alabama may have to adjust to the rising unpopularity of pro-style offenses and player safety rules.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:20 pm to RollTide1987
I know you don't want to give Auburn any credit but we beat Florida / Spurrier during that timeframe.
Plus AU was pretty good during those years.
Plus AU was pretty good during those years.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:20 pm to Master Gator
Bob Stoops has won eight conference championships. Does that make him a better coach than Saban? Spurrier won six SEC championships in a time when the SEC was down. LSU was a mess, Georgia was down, South Carolina was a joke and Arkansas was mediocre. All of those teams have had at least one top 10 finish since Saban has been at Bama. Since 2007, all of those teams have had multiple top 15 finishes. The level of competition Saban has had to deal with is so much tougher than what Spurrier had to go through at Florida.
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:22 pm to RollTide1987
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Steve Spurrier also coached in a time when there was no parity in the SEC. There were essentially 3 teams in the SEC during the early and mid-90s.
1. Florida
2. Tennessee
3. Alabama
All of the other teams in the conference ranged from average to downright terrible. And as dominant as Florida was during this period, they were only the second best team in the state of Florida.
Upvote. Furthermore, they've only got one national championship to show for it.
You really can't hold the 1995 season national championship against them, but despite running the conference, Florida only had one national championship to show for it despite the lack of parity then.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:24 pm to Master Gator
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There's a problem with holding Saban's Michigan State and LSU days against him. Some people think that he needs elite talent, control, and the best resources to win big, yet they're basing that off the years when Saban was still developing "the process". Honestly, do you think Saban hasn't learned anything since he left LSU? Is he the same coach he was back in the 90's when he coached at Michigan State?
Yes. He's the same coach. He may be a little bit different, but he's talked about being process oriented since Michigan State. Applying it to recruiting at an elite level? I mean I met a girl who is a recruiting coordinator for Bama. Brunette, sort of cute, wears two national championship rings as pendants at all times. She gave me a quick run down of her responsibilities and what she has to be able to tell Nick every time he walks in to a room about a recruit... and I don't think he had the capabilities or time to be able to do such things at Michigan State.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:26 pm to weagle99
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Plus AU was pretty good during those years.
You were good in 1993 and 1994 but couldn't do shite because of probation. You also had a good season in 1997. Other than those 3 years Auburn was pretty average in the 1990s.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:27 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Yes. He's the same coach. He may be a little bit different, but he's talked about being process oriented since Michigan State.
Which he didn't start developing until 1999 - his final year at Michigan State, and incidentally his best. They went 10-2 that season.
Nick Saban credits the 1998 Ohio State game as the origin of his Process. He didn't start implementing it until the off-season, however.
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:27 pm to Bench McElroy
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Bob Stoops has won eight conference championships. Does that make him a better coach than Saban? Spurrier won six SEC championships in a time when the SEC was down. LSU was a mess, Georgia was down, South Carolina was a joke and Arkansas was mediocre. All of those teams have had at least one top 10 finish since Saban has been at Bama. Since 2007, all of those teams have had multiple top 15 finishes. The level of competition Saban has had to deal with is so much tougher than what Spurrier had to go through at Florida.
Uh no, I've already stated that Saban by far is the best coach; however, the guy did bring up a good point. During this run, Saban's teams have only won the conference 1/3 of the time; that's hardly dominant. Also, the time frame of this dynasty just so happens to include Florida (2010, 2011) and LSU's (2008, 2009) down years. The dynasty hadn't begun in 2006, but LSU, Auburn, and Florida were good then.
Florida and LSU's runs weren't as good as Saban's right now, but Alabama has benefited from the dropoff of the the previous teams that ran the conference. Don't act like Alabama was responsible for the decline of Florida, Auburn, or LSU either.
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:32 pm to Master Gator
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Also, the time frame of this dynasty just so happens to include Florida (2010, 2011) and LSU's (2008, 2009) down years.
But it also includes 2009 Florida, a team Alabama routed in the Georgia Dome.
And while Saban "only has" 2 SEC titles...he has 3 national titles. That's dominance.
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:41 pm to Master Gator
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Also, the time frame of this dynasty just so happens to include Florida (2010, 2011) and LSU's (2008, 2009) down years. The dynasty hadn't begun in 2006, but LSU, Auburn, and Florida were good then.
During the entire run, there wasn't a single year when Bama didn't play at least one SEC team that finished in the top 5. GTFO with the SEC powers were down bullshite. Other teams picked up the slack in years when Florida and LSU were down. It wasn't like the entire SEC suddenly went to shite when those teams struggled.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:51 pm to StringedInstruments
Saban is pure discipline. He demands perfection in every aspect of the game. He is like a facist dictator that wills his downtrodden country into excellence. He does not coddle, he does not make excuses, he does not allow his players to be comfortable with their own failures, and his players generally don't like him very much. He breaks them down to rebuild them in his design. His players play for him out of fear and respect.
Miles is very different. He is like a father figure to his players. He nurtures them, tries to build them up, but is often loyal to a fault. This loyalty to his players often inspires them to play above their talent level and to give their all to the program. However, against lesser opponents, it can often inspire complacency as they know that Les will forgive them if they make mistakes. Les, himself, is not as organized. Where Saban is highly organized and efficient at micromanaging, Les is scatter-brained in games and often allows things to fall through the cracks. This makes Miles's teams prone to in-game coaching mistakes in key moments when absolute focus is needed.
This is why Saban is the better coach, but Miles is the better human being.
Miles is very different. He is like a father figure to his players. He nurtures them, tries to build them up, but is often loyal to a fault. This loyalty to his players often inspires them to play above their talent level and to give their all to the program. However, against lesser opponents, it can often inspire complacency as they know that Les will forgive them if they make mistakes. Les, himself, is not as organized. Where Saban is highly organized and efficient at micromanaging, Les is scatter-brained in games and often allows things to fall through the cracks. This makes Miles's teams prone to in-game coaching mistakes in key moments when absolute focus is needed.
This is why Saban is the better coach, but Miles is the better human being.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:54 pm to CBandits82
quote:It's this. He's got every angle covered, including diet, academics, etc. Combine that with intense focus and creating a culture of success among the players themselves and it explains much of his success.
100% attention to detail in every single part of the game.
In addition, success has a way of building on itself, too. The more he wins, the easier it is to recruit top talent, especially from outside the region. So, not only is he now able to get the 4/5 stars from the southeast, but he's also about to get them from California, the midwest, and wherever else he wants them.
All that said, other than his defensive schemes, I've never really thought that Saban does anything all that special. He just does the right things on everything, all the time. He studies tape, too, methodically.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:58 pm to Bench McElroy
Who picked up the slack?
Georgia is perennially overranked. South Carolina can't finish a season without a WTF game (2010 Kentucky, 2011 Auburn, 2012 Florida, 2013 Tennessee) and 2 or more losses. Mississippi State and Ole Miss have been in the SEC West cellar during this run. Arkansas' offense was good for a few years, but Bobby Petrino neglected the defensive side of the ball, which is the more important side. Alabama has won 4 of the last 5 versus Auburn teams that finished (5-7, 8-5, 8-5, and 3-9). In 2008 and 2009, it was just Alabama and Florida. Check the SEC standings.
I won't even touch 2010; I know what was up with that season; however, you must consider that 2010 was the strongest the West had ever been and for multitude of legit reasons/excuses, Alabama finished 4th in the SEC West with one of their most talented rosters ever. The 2011 defense returned 10 starters from the 2010 defense. The defense that showed up in the Capital One bowl versus Michigan State should have been playing at the level earlier in the season.
I can go on and on. Alabama's dynasty is neat, but it's not all time great. Also, look at Alabama's wins in the previous two seasons. I get that Alabama has proven in the championship games that they've belonged there, but look at their performance versus highly ranked opponents during the regular season. In the 2011 regular season, Alabama was 1-1 versus teams that finished the season ranked in the Top 25. In 2012, Alabama was 2-1 during the regular season versus Top Ranked SEC opponents, which is all that matters since we're discussing Alabama's SEC dominance. Those 2 wins were by a margin of 8 points and both included late go ahead touchdowns.
Georgia is perennially overranked. South Carolina can't finish a season without a WTF game (2010 Kentucky, 2011 Auburn, 2012 Florida, 2013 Tennessee) and 2 or more losses. Mississippi State and Ole Miss have been in the SEC West cellar during this run. Arkansas' offense was good for a few years, but Bobby Petrino neglected the defensive side of the ball, which is the more important side. Alabama has won 4 of the last 5 versus Auburn teams that finished (5-7, 8-5, 8-5, and 3-9). In 2008 and 2009, it was just Alabama and Florida. Check the SEC standings.
I won't even touch 2010; I know what was up with that season; however, you must consider that 2010 was the strongest the West had ever been and for multitude of legit reasons/excuses, Alabama finished 4th in the SEC West with one of their most talented rosters ever. The 2011 defense returned 10 starters from the 2010 defense. The defense that showed up in the Capital One bowl versus Michigan State should have been playing at the level earlier in the season.
I can go on and on. Alabama's dynasty is neat, but it's not all time great. Also, look at Alabama's wins in the previous two seasons. I get that Alabama has proven in the championship games that they've belonged there, but look at their performance versus highly ranked opponents during the regular season. In the 2011 regular season, Alabama was 1-1 versus teams that finished the season ranked in the Top 25. In 2012, Alabama was 2-1 during the regular season versus Top Ranked SEC opponents, which is all that matters since we're discussing Alabama's SEC dominance. Those 2 wins were by a margin of 8 points and both included late go ahead touchdowns.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:59 pm to RandySavage
quote:learn to troll better.
RandySavage
Posted on 10/27/13 at 1:02 pm to StringedInstruments
Attention, no OBSESSION with detail. He's obsessed with every little thing. And it's a mentality that he brings.
Essentially the team is talented sure, but if they give it everything and play every play their hardest, even if the guy across from them is dominating the matchup, if you keep coming back and giving it your all it creates the mindset that "These guys are unbeatable", and the other team just can't compare when they don't think they can win.
That's why LSU always plays Bama close. Les can get the same out of his players, so they never stop and think they can't win.
Essentially the team is talented sure, but if they give it everything and play every play their hardest, even if the guy across from them is dominating the matchup, if you keep coming back and giving it your all it creates the mindset that "These guys are unbeatable", and the other team just can't compare when they don't think they can win.
That's why LSU always plays Bama close. Les can get the same out of his players, so they never stop and think they can't win.
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