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re: What does Nick Saban do that is so different from other coaches?
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:01 am to StringedInstruments
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Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:07 am to TeLeFaWx
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Their defense gave up more yards one game than any other team in Alabama history. One guy even had over 500 yards...
One of the things that makes Saban great is that his teams improve. The team that took the field against VT and struggled mightily against Colorado State is not the team now. He made adjustments, continues to teach his players and make adjustments.
Back to the OP, another thing that makes Saban coached teams great is that there is a lot of competition between players to maintain their jobs even during the season. We had two olinemen who were really struggling in the beginning of the year. Saban started to bring in their backups to share time as a way to motivate them. He is not afraid to change things up even in the middle of the season.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:09 am to RollTide1987
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The defense played like shite against A&M no doubt.
They played just about as well as a defense could against Manziel after he a whole off season to prepare.
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But one game doesn't break up a narrative.
No it just proves the narrative is oversimplified and incomplete.
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Alabama has allowed only 2 touchdowns to be scored on them in the six games since September 14.
Which makes sense to me. According to the gumps Saban has the greatest defensive mind, and best coached defensive set of players to ever be assembled. It would make sense to me that the greatest player of all time could accomplish three times as much against them as 7 other teams combined.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:12 am to TeLeFaWx
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It would make sense to me
This is usually the point where the train veers off the tracks in your posts, isn't it?
ETA: Oh wow, that was my 16,000th post. What a fricking waste.
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Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:13 am to TeLeFaWx
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They played just about as well as a defense could against Manziel after he a whole off season to prepare.
No...Saban just figured out having John Fulton cover an All-American wide receiver wasn't the greatest idea in the world.
We should have beaten A&M worse than we did but a fumble on the goal line as well as an injury to our defensive backfield late in the game allowed Manziel to make it respectable.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:14 am to RollTide1987
Balance is basically struggling now apparently.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:23 am to GeorgeReymond
I think that recruiting jazz is horse crap, sure he recruits well, but most top SEC teams are top 5-12 on all the recruiting services.
I didn't really want to go into it but it looks like I must.
CNS is a defensive guru , as the Cleavland D.C. in the early 90s Cleavland had statistically the greatest NFL defense ever in one year.( cant renember but early 90s )
Saban is hands on and teaches WHY YOU SCREWED UP.
Saban will not put up with slackers.
Saban like Bear demands relentless effort.
Saband has the strongest and best conditioned team on the field.
I didn't really want to go into it but it looks like I must.
CNS is a defensive guru , as the Cleavland D.C. in the early 90s Cleavland had statistically the greatest NFL defense ever in one year.( cant renember but early 90s )
Saban is hands on and teaches WHY YOU SCREWED UP.
Saban will not put up with slackers.
Saban like Bear demands relentless effort.
Saband has the strongest and best conditioned team on the field.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:24 am to RollTide1987
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No...Saban just figured out having John Fulton cover an All-American wide receiver wasn't the greatest idea in the world.
An entire off season prepare by the greatest defensive mind having a team of the smartest defensive players and you don't think he had a contingent where he would have to give a WR extra attention? Saban just saw Evans get catch after catch and said, "frick it, I have no idea how to handle this." If so, you're the gumpiest of gumps. He simply knew he had no alternative. All extra attention had to be directed at the GOAT. The best WR in the country was capable of gashing him, and did, but Saban knew the bleeding would have been worse if he devoted any less attention to Manziel.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:29 am to Libertyabides71
Recruiting, institutional support/$$$, learning how to bend the rules to get a recruiting edge (oversigning before anyone had heard of it), and an empire built off prior wins. Add in discipline. good coaching, and a stable of players who know full well they can be replaced at any moment and it's hard to stop. Saban found a formula that's worked for him and he will stick with it until and unless catastrophic circumstances force him out/change or an NCAA hammer.
In short: TALENT and lots of it.
He also pays top dollar from what I've heard.
In short: TALENT and lots of it.
He also pays top dollar from what I've heard.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:53 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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I think that recruiting jazz is horse crap, sure he recruits well, but most top SEC teams are top 5-12 on all the recruiting services.
You're a moron.
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Saban is hands on and teaches WHY YOU SCREWED UP.
Almost all other coaches do this.
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Saban will not put up with slackers.
Neither do most coaches.
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Saban like Bear demands relentless effort.
So do most coaches.
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Saband has the strongest and best conditioned team on the field.
I've never seen a Saban coached team stronger and better conditioned than an A&M team, and in 2012 the way the interior of Bama's offensive line was getting worked over desperately hanging on to jerseys I would argue they were the weaker and lesser conditioned team, especially in the trenches.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 3:28 am to TeLeFaWx
Yup Aubie/TAMU loco, I am a moron ( you jealous terd ) thats why my preseason top 3 were 1 BAMA 2 FSU 3 Oregon.Thats why I am 12th out of 3000 on my NFL pickem.
Go check the top 4 or 5 SEC recruiting teams in the last 5 years and I bet they all AVERAGE top 12 in recruiting , moron.
ALL OTHER coaches can teach whatever in the hell they want , they don't know SHYT about defense compared to CNS.... SORRY CHARLIE .
Almost all coaches put up with slackers , Chizick damn sure did, and I wasn't just talking practice slackers , I am speaking of class room slackers , which is why Bamas APR and academic A-As are so high.
You are FOS as a christmas turkey, 2 or 3 turnovers were the only reason you won last year and getting away with a helmet to helmet hit twice.One on the goal line on 3rd down vs. MAC QB 10 ....... We beat the shyt out if you this year , up 21 , never did TAMU have the ball in 4rth quarter down by less than 14.
You will see when your scrambler leaves and Bama shuts that azz out every year.
Go check the top 4 or 5 SEC recruiting teams in the last 5 years and I bet they all AVERAGE top 12 in recruiting , moron.
ALL OTHER coaches can teach whatever in the hell they want , they don't know SHYT about defense compared to CNS.... SORRY CHARLIE .
Almost all coaches put up with slackers , Chizick damn sure did, and I wasn't just talking practice slackers , I am speaking of class room slackers , which is why Bamas APR and academic A-As are so high.
You are FOS as a christmas turkey, 2 or 3 turnovers were the only reason you won last year and getting away with a helmet to helmet hit twice.One on the goal line on 3rd down vs. MAC QB 10 ....... We beat the shyt out if you this year , up 21 , never did TAMU have the ball in 4rth quarter down by less than 14.
You will see when your scrambler leaves and Bama shuts that azz out every year.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 3:37 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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Yup Aubie/TAMU loco, I am a moron ( you jealous terd ) thats why my preseason top 3 were 1 BAMA 2 FSU 3 Oregon.Thats why I am 12th out of 3000 on my NFL pickem.
What the hell does this have to do with anything? Skip Bayless or Paul Finebaum could be the same thing, it doesn't mean the premise is absurb. Saban doesn't get top 12 classes he gets number 1 classes by a wide margin. To act as if that has nothing to do with it is a stupid premise. If you're such an NFL guru, when was the last time the Dallas Cowboys were relevant? When their wasn't a salary cap and they could build more talent than anyone else? Coincidence? That better players win more?
And you believe generic coach rhetoric? That makes you stupid. Demand excellence? All coaches demand excellence.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 3:45 am to TeLeFaWx
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And you believe generic coach rhetoric? That makes you stupid. Demand excellence? All coaches demand excellence.
Bingo.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 3:49 am to StringedInstruments
He has been pretty opportunistic (ie. he doesn't miss a chance). With that said he is razor thin from not having won the SEC West since 2009.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 4:02 am to TeLeFaWx
You just made my point.
A number 1 recruiting class vs an LSU class of number 4 is freaking minute and subjective.
Georgia and LSU had more players drafted last year.
Saban turned a 3 star Chance Womack into a top 10 pick.
And finally the “ better players ” don't always win more, it's how you mold them into a team, with one heartbeat ....... thats Bear Bryant speak there so if you disagree it makes you look dumb.
A number 1 recruiting class vs an LSU class of number 4 is freaking minute and subjective.
Georgia and LSU had more players drafted last year.
Saban turned a 3 star Chance Womack into a top 10 pick.
And finally the “ better players ” don't always win more, it's how you mold them into a team, with one heartbeat ....... thats Bear Bryant speak there so if you disagree it makes you look dumb.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 4:13 am to IAmReality
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What does Nick Saban do that is so different from other coaches? It's everything. Starts with recruiting, gets the best players. But then, he develops the talent to it's max. 4/5 stars come to Alabama and then play like it, they get better every game and every season. Discipline is also key, both on the field and off. And he's a workaholic and perfectionist when it comes to preparation. Nobody has ever outworked Saban and his coaching staff ever. He also runs a rock solid style of offense and defense, it's highly stable and productive (ie not reliant on gimmicks or crazy personal). It's a hard combo to beat. To beat Alabama a team needs to play absolutely lights out and have Alabama make a ton of mistakes. If those two things don't happen you're gonna lose and usually lose badly.
I'm so hard
Posted on 10/27/13 at 4:15 am to vjp819
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he dares them to frick up. he expects them to focus on the little things it takes to beat the opponent, he expects them to do what they are taught in practice, and carry it our during the games. he's a tough coach and his players are a reflection of him. they won't dare take plays off if they want to stay in the line up because as well as saban recruits, there is always someone on that squad who can replace a slacker.
And I came
Posted on 10/27/13 at 6:46 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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You just made my point.
No.
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A number 1 recruiting class vs an LSU class of number 4 is freaking minute and subjective.
No it isnt. Especially not compounded season after season.
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Georgia and LSU had more players drafted last year.
Cool? What point does it make that LSU had a ton of juniors leave? They lost all their talent and now their defense sucks. Have you not been paying attention?
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Saban turned a 3 star Chance Womack into a top 10 pick.
Mike Sherman turned 3 star Ryan Tannehill in to a top ten pick. Sumlin will do the same with Mike Evans. do you really think Saban three stars in to top ten draft picks at some rate that can only be attributed to the process? That he does this at a special rate at all? If so you're stupid.
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And finally the “ better players ” don't always win more, it's how you mold them into a team, with one heartbeat ....... thats Bear Bryant speak there so if you disagree it makes you look dumb
Y'all talk out of both sides of your mouth. Last year y'all thought you uad the best QB on the planet, the best running backs ever, and the greatest offensive line to ever think of playing football. So which is it? Alabama recruits talent, or you're a rag tag bunch of borderline three stars?
Posted on 10/27/13 at 7:14 am to Master Gator
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Master Gator
If LSU hadn't had offensive struggles the past several years...
Yeah, but they have, and Alabama hasn't. That's the whole point. So in a way, you've sort of rephrased the question...what does Saban do that is different from Miles.
When an Alabama weakness is discovered, it generally gets fixed quickly. What you're telling us is that doesn't happen with Miles.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 7:15 am to harmonics
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Regardless of how Saban gets his players (benefits etc). He coaches them up, and teaches them discipline. They are a machine, business like, and no nonsense. They are focused, and to be admired.
Regardless of how Saban gets his players (benefits etc). He coaches them up, and teaches them discipline. They are a machine, business like, and no nonsense. They are focused, and to be admired.
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