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What are the rules for CFB players who neglect to perform their NIL duties?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:02 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:02 am
From what I understand, college athletes can receive NIL money just like professional athletes can receive endorsement money from businesses. The college athletes have to in return provide some kind of service for that company.
It can be in the form of a commercial, social media post, autograph signing, attending an event, etc.
But they can’t just receive a check from a booster to play football at a university and call it NIL.
So how is the NCAA regulating and overseeing that all players are completing their NIL duties? What are the consequences if one doesn’t? Would it be considered lack of a program’s institutional control if multiple players were found to not be doing jack for the NIL money?
It can be in the form of a commercial, social media post, autograph signing, attending an event, etc.
But they can’t just receive a check from a booster to play football at a university and call it NIL.
So how is the NCAA regulating and overseeing that all players are completing their NIL duties? What are the consequences if one doesn’t? Would it be considered lack of a program’s institutional control if multiple players were found to not be doing jack for the NIL money?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:03 am to StringedInstruments
They become Aggy yell leaders
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:42 am to StringedInstruments
I imagine it self regulates to a degree. If my company was paying someone to provide some sort of marketing, I sure as hell wouldn’t want to pay them unless they fulfilled their obligation.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:42 am to StringedInstruments
80% of the NIL $$$ are coming from collectives…so the school. This is where it is going to interesting contract wise and guys moving around.
Most of the non-collective
(actual companies) NIL $$ are traditional contracts with performance.
Most of the non-collective
(actual companies) NIL $$ are traditional contracts with performance.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:36 am to StringedInstruments
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It can be in the form of a commercial, social media post, autograph signing, attending an event, etc.
But they can’t just receive a check from a booster to play football at a university and call it NIL.
I'm not sure you understand what N, I, and L stand for.
Just because an athlete, in return for a cash payment, allows a business to use his name, image, or likeness in an advertisement, it doesn't mean the player has to do damn thing in return.
If Dreamland BBQ wants to pay Milroe to use his picture in an ad, why would Milroe have to actually do anything? He doesn't have to show up at an event. He doesn't have to film a commercial or record a radio spot. He doesn't have to sign anything. All he has to do is say "yes, you can use my photo in your ad."
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:10 am to BamaGradinTn
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Dreamland BBQ wants to pay Milroe to use his picture in an ad, why would Milroe have to actually do anything? He doesn't have to show up at an event. He doesn't have to film a commercial or record a radio spot. He doesn't have to sign anything. All he has to do is say "yes, you can use my photo in your ad."
It would depend on the nature of the agreement, if it included appearances, then he’d be in breach of contract.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:18 am to StringedInstruments
A 5-year sentence in any combination of probation and/or forced labor camp
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 11:19 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:27 am to RealDawg
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collectives…
What he said. Legit business deals have clauses.
I imagine a lot of the collective nonsense will undergo some serious scrutiny involving fines or worse. This is private, so it won’t be the NCAA. It will be the IRS. There is too much money to ignore. If I were a player given serious NIL money in exchange for nothing(or close to nothing), I would report most or all of it as a gift and put the tax burden back onto the giver as the law requires.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:43 am to BamaGradinTn
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If Dreamland BBQ wants to pay Milroe to use his picture in an ad, why would Milroe have to actually do anything?
It isn’t that simple if it becomes obvious he is paid substantially more than that likeness is worth, then it isn’t a legitimate business deal. I’m not a lawyer but this is simple. The players themselves will be fine. Nothing wrong with taking free money.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:46 am to StringedInstruments
I think the university should be allowed to create contracts like pros and trade the players tbh
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:18 pm to Jockamo
It’s a den of thieves. The collective(the school) promises $$$. The kid promises his commitment. As soon as the money changes hands the kid bolts. If the money doesn’t change hands fast enough. The kid bolts. Nobody trusts anybody and with good reason. The schools promise and don’t deliver and the kids leave as soon as they get the money.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:27 pm to StringedInstruments
Ewers got a million from Ohio State just to move up a class to sit in our QB room only to transfer to Texas after the season without any issues. Everyone knew Stroud would be the starter but it was worth the gamble.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:48 pm to StringedInstruments
First… most people confuse actual NIL with collectives.
Example of actual NIL:
Olivia Dunne - LSU Gymnast
She has sponsorships with numerous companies such as Vuori where she is in tv commercials, ad campaigns, and models Vuori clothes to her 3 million plus Instagram followers. She has contracts with over 15 companies doing various commercials.
All contracts are negotiated independently from LSU. Dunne is only responsible to the actual companies sponsoring her.
Collective:
Utah Football team
Each Utah football player gets a $60,000 Dodge Ram pickup for being on the roster of the football team. They have one year leases that get extended if they are on the team the next year. Once off the team, the truck is taken away.
Must abide by Utah team rules.
Example of actual NIL:
Olivia Dunne - LSU Gymnast
She has sponsorships with numerous companies such as Vuori where she is in tv commercials, ad campaigns, and models Vuori clothes to her 3 million plus Instagram followers. She has contracts with over 15 companies doing various commercials.
All contracts are negotiated independently from LSU. Dunne is only responsible to the actual companies sponsoring her.
Collective:
Utah Football team
Each Utah football player gets a $60,000 Dodge Ram pickup for being on the roster of the football team. They have one year leases that get extended if they are on the team the next year. Once off the team, the truck is taken away.
Must abide by Utah team rules.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:57 pm to Dawg4Life47
I think the schools and collectives shouldn’t be involved in any way. NIL gives the player ownership of his Name, Image, and Likeness. It’s up to them and them only. The plain fact is that very few players NIL has any real value. That 2nd string guard is getting zip. Time for a dose of reality.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:53 pm to ukraine_rebel
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It would depend on the nature of the agreement, if it included appearances, then he’d be in breach of contract.
Well duhhhh, of course it does, genius. That's not what the OP is suggesting. He's asking if the NCAA can mandate that the player actually has to perform some service. As long as the player and the business agree, all the player needs to do is sign an agreement and cash the check. If I want to pay Milroe for using his photo and his endorsement in my company's ad and not require him to do anything else, there's nothing the NCAA can do to stop that. We may not like it, but that's where college football is today.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:59 pm to Dallaswho
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It isn’t that simple if it becomes obvious he is paid substantially more than that likeness is worth, then it isn’t a legitimate business deal.
And who determines what that likeness is worth?
Seriously...did anyone in America buy a Nissan because Bryce Young was in a commercial? One could argue that his value was zero.
I haven't seen anything stating officially that it has to be a "legitimate" amount. This didn't come down from the NCAA. It came down from government, and they put no such restrictions on what kids can earn.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:04 pm to Smoke Test
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I think the schools and collectives shouldn’t be involved in any way. NIL gives the player ownership of his Name, Image, and Likeness. It’s up to them and them only. The plain fact is that very few players NIL has any real value. That 2nd string guard is getting zip. Time for a dose of reality.
The benefit of collectives is that it helps chemistry in the locker room. The 2nd string Utes are less likely to resent the star teammate because they're all getting something. And the star can still make more money if they can.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:37 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Just because an athlete, in return for a cash payment, allows a business to use his name, image, or likeness in an advertisement, it doesn't mean the player has to do damn thing in return.
That is all sorts of retarded. Just like some swimsuit company can say your contract is cancelled if you put on 50 lbs, a collective can cancel a deal (and possibly collect damages) if you take all the money up front and bolt the next day for their rival. What fricking commercial use is Dreamland getting for some QB if he leaves for Tennessee as soon as he gets his check. His NIL is useless to Dreamland and the athlete knows it. I guarantee these deals are crafted based on marketing metrics. As long as you are on a team for a certain portion of the season and they use your NIL from a certain time to the end (as long as they are still on the team), they meet the requirements of the contract.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 5:15 pm to BamaGradinTn
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I haven't seen anything stating officially that it has to be a "legitimate" amount.
This is for any contract and good faith must be demonstrated if questioned. Otherwise, the money transfer is a gift and tax liabilities are completely different.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 5:42 pm to BamaGradinTn
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And who determines what that likeness is worth?
Exactly! Those cute little Heisman House spots suddenly aren't so cute.
Hypothetically, would they dare have a Heisman winner featured who was too chicken shite to play in his team's bowl game ?
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