re: Walter Payton and Jerry Rice - why didn't they go to Ole Miss or Miss St?

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Do you spell Rice, P-a-y-t-o-n?

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No... I did spell Favre wrong earlier though.

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black eye in the past

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Weren’t the flags a thing until the 90s?
I guess that was actually a while ago, damn.

Walter Payton's freshman year at Jackson State was 1971. Ben Williams was the first African American Ole Miss football player in 1971. To say that Ole Miss or any other SEC program was way past racism Payton's freshman year is just wrong. And JSU was putting tons of players in the NFL back then.

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That sure was entertaining, next time, let's discuss why Hank Aaron, Willie McCovey, Willie Mays, Satchel Paige, Billy Williams never went to Alabama of the Barn.

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You're kidding, right? When I was a student at Alabama 1975-79, Alabama didn't even have lights on their baseball field. Why in the ever-loving frick would any of them have gone to Alabama to play baseball?

Not to mention that in that era, the vast majority of top baseball prospects...white, black, green, whatever...went straight to professional baseball from high school.

How old are you, anyway? I'm guessing not old enough to remember seeing any of those guys play.

You started off making a fairly intelligent comment about race...then you went full retard.

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You're kidding, right? When I was a student at Alabama 1975-79, Alabama didn't even have lights on their baseball field. Why in the ever-loving frick would any of them have gone to Alabama to play baseball?

Not to mention that in that era, the vast majority of top baseball prospects...white, black, green, whatever...went straight to professional baseball from high school.

How old are you, anyway? I'm guessing not old enough to remember seeing any of those guys play.

You started off making a fairly intelligent comment about race...then you went full retard.

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I suggested that minorities, of any era, did what they had to do in sports, as in life, when the goalposts were not the same for everyone.

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Unless you lived through Jim Crow in the deep south and had to get off the sidewalk cause a white person was coming and needed all the space, you have no idea what a black person of that generation felt about his social status or the choices he made.

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Says you have no idea what it was like u less you lived it.

Spends rest of thread pretending to know what it was like.



I suppose it’s also possible you are an elderly black man.

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Weren’t the flags a thing until the 90s?
I guess that was actually a while ago, damn.

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You seem to really be down on the "Deep South" in regards to race relations.

No mention of the biggest klan rally ever held in the United States occurring in Trenton, New Jersey.

No mention of the largest lynching ever to occur in the United States didn't involve blacks but the victims were Italian-Americans.

No mention that the Northern States instituted slavery in the U.S. first and practiced it longer than any Southern state.

No mention that Jews weren't allowed to attend colleges in the North for decades and decades.

No mention of MLK saying that the only moment he really felt like he was going to die was one night when he and his fellow marchers were caught out in the streets of Chicago.

Chicago

No mention of the worst race riots ever occurring in the United States happening in California, over and over again, due to the mistreatment of blacks by whites.

Don't mention that Jim Crow laws existed everywhere and act like it was only a Southern thing.

Don't mention that every single football team in America was at some point in time segregated. Place a lot more emphasis on teams like Alabama that didn't integrate as quickly as some other teams. Alabama and other Southern teams were 5 or 10 years behind the GREAT MAJORITY of all other teams in the United States in their segregation timetable so, act like only Southern teams were the problem. That makes you seem honest and not a hypocrite.

Don't mention that mobs of New York citizens roamed from home to home, street to street, block to block, murdering any black man, woman, or child that could be found and only U.S. Government forces finally could put an end to it.

Don't mention that Missouri had an amount of lynchings that rivaled any state in the "Deep South" and had race riots where whole cities of blacks were run out of town to never return.

You fricking idiot. It wasn't just the South. Read a book instead of just parroting what your equally ignorant teachers taught you.

Don't act like because some people stopped doing some things a decade or so earlier than some other people in some other geographical area that they are somehow morally superior.

It could have been a number of things, but I think it all comes down to how rudimentary the art of scouting/recruiting was in those days. Back before internet and sites like Rivals and 247Sports, coaches would miss on players like Rice, Payton, Favre, and Terrell Owens all the time. It could be because they were playing for smaller high schools or played in the middle of nowhere or a variety of other reasons.

Bottom line...a lot of the time someone would have to pick up the phone and call an assistant coach at a big time school and say, "Hey, I've got this really talented kid down here that you might want to take a look at." If intrigued, that coach would travel and scout out the player before reporting his findings back to the head boss. And that's how recruiting was before the internet changed the game. Had Jerry Rice played high school ball in 2004 instead of 1980, I'm almost certain he would have been one of the most highly recruited wide receivers in the history of the sport.

I'd guess the coaching staffs at the schools at that time did a poor job of finding and evaluating in state talent