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re: Waddel, Smith, Chase, Pickens
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:40 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:40 pm to SammyTiger
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I think youre confused. When people are sayig ceiling they mean max potential
Right, but how do you quantify that? To me it’s how impactful they are in the NFL.
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Jamarcus Russell HIGH Ceiling. All the tools, he showed he could play the position in college.
He showed he could play in college, but couldn’t make the jump to the NFL. It’s certainly possible that great college QB and mediocre NFL QB was his ceiling. For whatever reason some QB’s just can’t make that jump. Maybe it’s because they’ve hit their ceiling or maybe it’s because their game just doesn’t translate.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:10 pm to atlanta917
So you're saying every player in the NFL reaches their ultimate potential?
Thats seems unlikely.
The whole point is the speculative limits on a player. How good or how bad could he possibly be. Not how good they actually are when we can look back.
Thats seems unlikely.
The whole point is the speculative limits on a player. How good or how bad could he possibly be. Not how good they actually are when we can look back.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:23 pm to SammyTiger
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So you're saying every player in the NFL reaches their ultimate potential?
I’m saying there’s no concrete way of knowing. It’s possible Russel had wasted potential and it’s possible his ceiling was good college QB and mediocre NFL QB.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:33 pm to atlanta917
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I’m saying there’s no concrete way of knowing. It’s possible Russel had wasted potential and it’s possible his ceiling was good college QB and mediocre NFL QB.
Of course there isn't. its sort and estimate anyway.
but its pretty clear Russell had more potential than that. If he had put the work in. Which literally anyone can do. He wasn't a huge lazy load in college.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:39 pm to SammyTiger
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but its pretty clear Russell had more potential than that.
Maybe. It’s also possible the game became too fast for him. College level defenses and nfl level defenses are completely different. Matt Leinhart didn’t have the same success in the NFL. Troy Smith won the heisman at OSU and did nothing in the nfl.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:41 pm to atlanta917
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It’s also possible the game became too fast for him.
it definitely did when he ballooned up to 270 pounds.
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Matt Leinhart didn’t have the same success in the NFL. Troy Smith won the heisman at OSU and did nothing in the nfl.
And you can ask questions about either's ultimate potential. Neither had the cannon that Jamarcus had.
Troy Smith was drafted pretty low because he had a low ceiling
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:43 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I don't really think that Pickens belongs in this convo, but just from watching the other 3 several times, there isn't a big gap, if any gap, between Chase, and Waddle, and Smith.
So yes your feelings.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 2:15 pm to 3morereps
Add Marshall Jr baw
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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SummerOfGeorge
Really solid list
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:13 pm to atlanta917
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Matt Leinhart didn’t have the same success in the NFL. Troy Smith won the heisman at OSU and did nothing in the nfl.
There’s a reason Russell went 1st, and those other guys did not. Russell had a very high ceiling. Much better arm strength than either of those other guys.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:19 pm to SammyTiger
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it definitely did when he ballooned up to 270 pounds.
lol true. Still, different players handle the jump differently.
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Troy Smith was drafted pretty low because he had a low ceiling
I can list tons of QB’s that just didn’t work out after being drafted early. Some players peak in college. Potential is an unknown, so it’s all subjective.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:20 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Russell had a very high ceiling.
Apparently not. Tons of ppl can throw a football far. Doesn’t mean they have a high ceiling as an NFL quarterback.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:22 pm to 3morereps
You forgot Marshall
Posted on 5/8/20 at 3:35 pm to BowlJackson
Agreed. Seth Williams all day long
Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:11 pm to jvilletiger25
You guys are funny. Maybe if Seth went somewhere else... But his potential will not be sniffed under the current coaching staff
Posted on 5/8/20 at 5:33 pm to atlanta917
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Apparently not. Tons of ppl can throw a football far. Doesn’t mean they have a high ceiling as an NFL quarterback.
I don’t think you know what a high ceiling means.
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