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re: USC v. Bama H2H
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:31 am to Demosthenian
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:31 am to Demosthenian
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If that’s the case, why aren’t we pointing to Bama v. OU or v. Vandy to evidence that OU and Vandy are better than Bama?
It’s almost like there is some metric they look at even before head to head that would prevent OU and Vandy from being compared to Alabama. Maybe something like total wins and losses, I don’t know for sure though
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Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:43 am to Temple of the Dog
quote:Carolina was 'better' at Oklahoma - and at Vanderbilt - than Alabama -
Any argument that suggest Carolina is clearly "better" than Alabama is idiotic
+26 to -21 in Norman ....and +21 to -5 in Nashville -
appears the *data point* of 'road conference games against the same opponents' favored the Gamecocks -
eta - changed metric to data point for the CFP committee
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 7:47 am
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:51 am to 1801
Have you guys won the argument yet?
Has the committee been notified?
Has the committee been notified?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:02 am to Crimson Wraith
quote:we've won many arguments here -
Have you guys won the argument yet?
quote:waste of time - their TV overlords already know how they want the bracket to look - even before CG weekend -
Has the committee been notified?
High Tide! High Tide Guys! High Tide!
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:03 am to Demosthenian
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If that’s the case, why aren’t we pointing to Bama v. OU or v. Vandy to evidence that OU and Vandy are better than Bama?
Are you really this fricking stupid? Are Vandy and Oklahoma in contention for a playoff spot?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:15 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:Found the lurking redneck that needs to drop f-bombs in place of saying anything intelligent.
BamaGradinTn
Also:
quote:Yeah, like Bama v. USC 2 months ago. So you’re refuting your own argument without the brains to realize it.
BamaGradinTn: One of these days, you clowns may finally learn that one game in the big picture of a season often doesn't mean shite.
What a dumbass.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:23 am to Demosthenian
The whole point for being out there at this level is to play for the big trophy. Period. Fans can cling to the way things were 50 or 60 years ago about Joe College playing for the love of his school and his state, but they’re not that way in 2024 and will never be that way again. The reality is that the regular season is simply the pathway to the playoffs. Which will inevitably move to 16 teams.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:32 am to InkStainedWretch
quote:If this is correct, then the playoff would be about “deserving”. But it’s not.
The whole point for being out there at this level is to play for the big trophy.
Thus there is (/remains) a standing incongruity. Despite your desire to make it open-and-shut
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:40 am to BamaGradinTn
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Are Vandy and Oklahoma in contention for a playoff spot?
No, which makes your argument even weaker.
Bama has a 2 point win at home. Neutral field is a push. The H2H absolutely matters - and no one is refuting that.
SC doesn't have the ugly losses that Alabama has. Vandy turned out to be pretty dadgum average. SC proved that, as did UTK. Oklahoma is outright bad. The biggest issue I have with the rankings is that Alabama wasn't punished for being dismantled at Oklahoma. They didn't tumble like UGA did for losing to Ole Miss. By any reasonable measure, that loss should have dropped Alabama more than it did two weeks ago. It was largely ignored.
Now, of course I'm advocating for SC, because I'm and SC fan. But I truly believe that Ole Miss has the best argument, as they were punished more for losing to a better UF team than Bama was for losing to a bad Oklahoma squad. Most SC fans have said as much.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:41 am to Demosthenian
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People point to this as evidence that Bama is better than USC. If that’s the case, why aren’t we pointing to Bama v. OU or v. Vandy to evidence that OU and Vandy are better than Bama?
How about Alabama v Georgia?
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:49 am to Demosthenian
Deserving is subjective.
I’m an Alabama fan. I am fully aware that fans of other teams in the conference, particularly fans of Georgia (who is my second favorite program, my paternal lineage is from around Athens, specifically in Washington, Ga.) who like to think they’re the big dog in the conference now and LSU which until the end of time will never get over 1/9/12, resent that we will always carry a lot of clout and get a lot of breaks because of who we are.
It is what it is.
I’m an Alabama fan. I am fully aware that fans of other teams in the conference, particularly fans of Georgia (who is my second favorite program, my paternal lineage is from around Athens, specifically in Washington, Ga.) who like to think they’re the big dog in the conference now and LSU which until the end of time will never get over 1/9/12, resent that we will always carry a lot of clout and get a lot of breaks because of who we are.
It is what it is.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:52 am to Demosthenian
Look we understand you're scared of Alabama. We are to Kirby Smart what Michigan is to Ryan Day.
We own you.
We own you.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:55 am to Demosthenian
If Vandy or OU had identical records to Bama then they would be the teams that should be in. But they don’t. So this is dumb
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:56 am to John Milner
quote:Because I, personally, don’t think H2H means all that much when it comes to determining the “best” team.
Alabama v Georgia?
We can have an argument if you want about why the playoffs, or any post-season, or even any trophies based on H2H, matters. But it’s a dumb argument: all those accolades came long after the games were being played in the first place.
To me, the only things that matter when it comes to CFB are: 1) fan bragging rights over my team’s rivals, because it’s fun on the golf course; and 2) the in-game entertainment of watching 2 great teams play high-quality football against one another, which is already rare
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:11 am to InkStainedWretch
It’s all subjective until you put a specific rubric in place to pre-wire the participants before the season occurs. Like conference championships, top [#] from [XYZ] poll, or something.
quote:This is much more interesting. Mine is nearby in Elberton. Washington is a beautifully preserved pre-Revolutionary town, with many antebellum homes and small town revitalization going on, to pair with it’s long history. Check out Kettle Creek Battlefield. Info
my paternal lineage is from Washington, Ga
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:15 am to Demosthenian
Have not been to Washington in years, since the family reunion we always used to have stopped because the folks who spearheaded it all died. Need to get back over there and will check out the battlefield if I do.
As far as objective vs. subjective, was talking more about fans than any official rubric. Fans will always give way to their prejudices and dislikes.
As far as objective vs. subjective, was talking more about fans than any official rubric. Fans will always give way to their prejudices and dislikes.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:39 am to 1801
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waste of time - their TV overlords already know how they want the bracket to look - even before CG weekend -
Ding, ding, ding.
This overrides everything else.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:44 am to MykTide
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UGA fans are nervous about the possibility of having to face Bama in the playoffs.
It’s understandable. Bama owns you.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:48 am to Demosthenian
I don't have an issue with Bama or Ole Miss being ahead of SC due to head-to-head matchups. However, I have a huge issue with ONLY Bama being ahead of Miami while SC/Ole Miss are behind Miami. It's pure Bama bias and there's simply no logic from the committee.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:52 am to Demosthenian
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Bama’s win v. USC shouldn’t define that they are a better team than USC.
Hahaha
I guess you'll be on here Saturday night saying, "Uga's two wins over Tejas shouldn't define that they are better than Tejas."
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