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re: USC and Michigan may leave the Big Ten.

Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by DaleGribblesMower
Member since Dec 2013
7771 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:23 pm to
At what point do conferences and the NCAA no longer matter?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
26854 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:24 pm to
The fact that there are adults in charge of major universities who think having private equity groups invest as partial owners of their (state university) athletic programs is a wild and obscene notion. The Occam’s razor explanation honestly involves bribes to the individuals involved.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
9593 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:26 pm to
WHY would Clemson, FSU, & Miami sign with the west coast?
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 12:28 pm
Posted by MtVernon
Member since Jul 2024
10238 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:27 pm to
Click bait article if there ever was one
Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
9685 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:28 pm to
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$2.4 billion investment from the California Pension Fund.


Wut?
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
9593 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:29 pm to
Would be interesting playing USC, but the cross coast thing makes us like everyone else.
Posted by Nasty_Canasta
Canada
Member since Dec 2024
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:31 pm to
If Michigan and USC go, there’s no way OSU and Michigan State stay in the conference. We could see alot of schools go independent with tv deals similar to ND and NBC. And there’s enough interest with OSU and Michigan alone to make it work.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:38 pm to
USC I can see trying to get out of traveling all over the country and wanting back in the PAC 12....Michigan will never leave the BIG 10
Posted by Boomer65
Norman
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:45 pm to
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USC I can see trying to get out of traveling all over the country and wanting back in the PAC 12....Michigan will never leave the BIG 10


It’s apparent that USC is having a buyer’s remorse. I can see them finding a way to get back to the West Coast unless B1G creates a Western division.

My biggest question is why does OSU seem okay with this? They’re the biggest powerhouse out of all and is okay with this? Something’s amiss.
Posted by Raoul_Duke
Denton, TX
Member since Nov 2012
756 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:55 pm to
This is the biggest story in CFB. Ultimately it looks like the Big Ten will end this if they’re smart and fire their commissioner over it.

On one side you have USC who is rightfully pissed at the unequal revenue share of the deal where OSU, UM and PSU all get more than everyone else. UM upset that their grant of rights would be extended 20 years out, basically trapping all of them in that bad conference forever.

On the other side you have PSU, UCLA, Maryland, Rutgers and others who are somehow broke and unable to keep up in the new landscape without help. You have OSU who has $30 million a year just on servicing their debt. Also all the schools like Northwestern and Purdue rightfully afraid of being culled are more than willing to sign away on the long term grant of rights.

If they go ahead on the PE deal without USC and Michigan it would end the B1G. By 2030 the top B1G schools would be trapped in a conference with an even worse product with steadily declining viewership and media payout that would wildly swing in the SEC favor. USC and Michigan go independent. Conveniently the lower exit fee for the ACC starts in 2031.

You could see a new conference formed with:
Notre Dame
USC
Michigan
FSU/Clemson/Miami/GT/UNC/Duke/Virginia

Much more money in joining together for a deal than everyone staying independent. Could see a cherry picked 8 or 10 team conference that would rival the SEC in quality of product.
Posted by Krampus
Member since Nov 2018
5886 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:57 pm to
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$2.4 billion investment from the California Pension Fund.


Wut?


CalPERS California Public Employee Retirement System) is the largest pension fund in the US. And they are actively looking to increase their percentage allocation directed towards private assets (I think from ~14% to ~17%, but dont quote me on that), in an effort to increase cash flow to better fund the states retirement obligations.

It seems that taking an ownership stake in the Big 10 is part of their plan to achieve that increase in private asset ownership.
Posted by Raoul_Duke
Denton, TX
Member since Nov 2012
756 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 12:59 pm to
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At what point do conferences and the NCAA no longer matter?


At the point where the NCAA doesn’t control March madness or the college World Series
Posted by Taurus 357
Great Lakes
Member since Dec 2014
5675 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 1:00 pm to
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USC and Michigan go independent. Conveniently the lower exit fee for the ACC starts in 2031.


There’s been talk on X from some Big ten folks that they very well could get rid of Tony Pettiti. The reasoning is if Michigan goes and USC goes, the entire conference falls apart and they can’t afford that to happen because they would then lose OSU. What the likely outcome is they fire the Commissioner and bring in someone else who calms the waters a bit. It’s a lot easier to replace one guy than it is to replace several lucrative programs
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
9593 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 1:00 pm to
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I can see them finding a way to get back to the West Coast unless B1G creates a Western division.


From all the talk lately, it’s ND (maybe with Stanford), Miami, Atlanta, Clemson/FSU(?),
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2876 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 1:02 pm to
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On one side you have USC who is rightfully pissed at the unequal revenue share of the deal where OSU, UM and PSU all get more than everyone else. UM upset that their grant of rights would be extended 20 years out, basically trapping all of them in that bad conference forever.

On the other side you have PSU, UCLA, Maryland, Rutgers and others who are somehow broke and unable to keep up in the new landscape without help. You have OSU who has $30 million a year just on servicing their debt. Also all the schools like Northwestern and Purdue rightfully afraid of being culled are more than willing to sign away on the long term grant of rights.

If they go ahead on the PE deal without USC and Michigan it would end the B1G. By 2030 the top B1G schools would be trapped in a conference with an even worse product with steadily declining viewership and media payout that would wildly swing in the SEC favor. USC and Michigan go independent. Conveniently the lower exit fee for the ACC starts in 2031.
USC and Michigan are under a grant of rights until 2036. They aren't going anywhere any time soon.

Michigan's problem is less the length of the deal, than the fact that they don't think that giving some investor 10% of future media revenue is a good idea; they happen to be right about that, but so many of the schools in the league need a cash infusion that short term thinking seems likely to prevail.

What this tells you is that a lot of schools in the Big Ten are worried about being able to spend all the money allowed under the House settlement. They don't have the money to fully fund scholarships in all sports, and are going to be stretched to come up with the $20.5 million in revenue sharing that will be needed to keep pace with the SEC schools.
Posted by Raoul_Duke
Denton, TX
Member since Nov 2012
756 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 1:10 pm to
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If Michigan and USC go, there’s no way OSU and Michigan State stay in the conference. We could see alot of schools go independent with tv deals similar to ND and NBC. And there’s enough interest with OSU and Michigan alone to make it work.


Notre Dame makes far less than B1G schools currently. It becomes a race to the bottom if several teams all go independent. Far more money in collective bargaining. And if anything has been proven to be a constant fact in realignment it’s that money is the driving force.

If OSU and the others sign away their rights then they CANT go independent. If the deal falls through then there’s no good reason for USC/UM to leave. It’s either one or the other

The best way to fix the B1G is to drop the mistakes like Rutgers and Maryland. Add the best available football schools in the recruiting hotbeds. FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson. The academic side would hate it and there would be lawsuits, but it’s the only real way to balance the powers in CFB
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
10240 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 1:18 pm to
This should be considered a bigger deal than is being generally reported. Michigan is not backing down. And apparently neither is USC, though their sticking point appears to be specific payout terms rather than general opposition to private equity. The other 16 schools are trying to push this through. If Michigan and USC left, they could go team up Notre Dame and have a wealthy mini-conference.

Kudos to Michigan. They are aptly calling this a desperate payday loan. This deal will destroy the B1G.
Posted by Nasty_Canasta
Canada
Member since Dec 2024
4820 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 1:21 pm to
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The best way to fix the B1G is to drop the mistakes like Rutgers and Maryland


I don’t think that’ll happen. Should they? Yes. But they justified that move for the northeast viewership. I don’t think they took into account that NYC and Baltimore don’t give a shite about college sports, but at the time the former Big Ten commissioner Jim Delaney had to try and make a move.
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
38985 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 1:23 pm to






We should really try these in college football.



And you saw correctly, Boston College gets left out. Syracuse and BC in the other.
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Buckeyeholic
Member since Sep 2023
77 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 1:49 pm to
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USC and Michigan are under a grant of rights until 2036. They aren't going anywhere any time soon.



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