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Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:47 am to BLG
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:58 am to FireDanMullen
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And Meyer would probably be seen as a top 5 college coach of all time if not for some seriously glaring behavioral issues. That’s the difference.
I don't think you can so easily dismiss Meyer's problems as a behavioral issue as if it was just an off the field personal problem that made him retire too young. His weaknesses were part of his character and fabric as a coach. It was a package deal and bled into the Florida, Ohio St, and Jaguars programs and their culture. No one was left wondering how good he could have been if he had coached another 15 years. He left everywhere he went in a mess for someone else to clean up until no legitimate organization viewed him as a serious candidate to lead their programs.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:59 am to FireDanMullen
Urban is a top offensive coach and talent evaluator at the QB position.
Why hasn't a team contracted him as an analyst?
Why hasn't a team contracted him as an analyst?
Posted on 9/20/24 at 8:59 am to MillerLiteTime
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Meyer was an elite coach. Saban and Meyer had that same passion and work ethic to doing whatever it took to win. But Saban didn't have the emotional highs and lows.
one of the better comparisons between saban and meyer i've ever seen. saban seemed to approach everything in the same manner, regardless of his feelings. meyer is definitely more emotionally driven, burnout was always right around the corner for meyer.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:03 am to TideWarrior
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IMO maybe one of the most overrated CFB HCs out there.
I don’t think he’s overrated.
I think he’s a flawed genius.
But he ran into another genius who had a greater drive for continuous self improvement and instead of just getting credit for his wins he’s getting beaten up for not being better than the best to ever do it.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:03 am to FireDanMullen
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Saban and Bama absolutely smoked Meyer in 2010 something like 31-6. Meyer resigned 3 months later.
He resigned before then. The return was always a half-measure to give Florida a softer landing.
We all watched him "coach" that year.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:09 am to BLG
I'm kind of surprised nobody has mentioned his comment that "We just went 12-0 in a very average conference"
Yes, I know that most posters on this board will say we already knew that, but it's kind of fun hearing Meyer say it.
Yes, I know that most posters on this board will say we already knew that, but it's kind of fun hearing Meyer say it.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:14 am to Murph4HOF
That golf cart pizza video really was symbolic of why Meyer could never build a sustainable program. Listen to this video of a former Ohio St player talking about the sad pizza game and explaining what Meyer was like after losses:
"When we would lose, it would shake him to his core. He would be walking around the building... in another space. Us as players we had to pull him out of it...because we had a game this week...and he would be different around the building 100%."
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Players having to figure out how to get their coach ready to move on to the next game might be the worst leadership story I have ever heard about a coach who has won at such an elite level.
"When we would lose, it would shake him to his core. He would be walking around the building... in another space. Us as players we had to pull him out of it...because we had a game this week...and he would be different around the building 100%."
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Players having to figure out how to get their coach ready to move on to the next game might be the worst leadership story I have ever heard about a coach who has won at such an elite level.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:34 am to tide06
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I don’t think he’s overrated.
I think he’s a flawed genius.
But he ran into another genius who had a greater drive for continuous self improvement and instead of just getting credit for his wins he’s getting beaten up for not being better than the best to ever do it.
I just think he gets credit due to his timing. At UF and OSU he walked into great situations with each conference.
At UF when he arrived Saban was leaving LSU and no one expected Miles to continue to have the success he did for a few years even though the talent was there. UT was headed in the wrong direction. UA was not consistent. UGA was 10 wins and not really a threat each year. And Spurrier shocked many with what he did at USC. But once Saban came back and the SEC was not a pushover he bolted.
The same thing happened at OSU. He walked in when the B10 was OSU and no one else. Once UM hired JH and PSU could pressure OSU for the title he once again bailed.
I do not care what reasons are told but the optics to me happened the way I wrote it. He walked into the 2 top prorgams with easy paths to a NC and once he actually had to compete in both conferences to get there he was gone.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 9:36 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:51 am to MillerLiteTime
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glaring behavioral issues
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His weaknesses were part of his character and fabric as a coach
These sound pretty synonymous to me. You just hopped on your soap box and described it in more detail than I did. Yeah, Meyer was a scum bag with character issues and his accomplishments make him a top 10 coach, is that better? lol
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:56 am to TideWarrior
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I just think he gets credit due to his timing. At UF and OSU he walked into great situations with each conference. At UF when he arrived Saban was leaving LSU and no one expected Miles to continue to have the success he did for a few years even though the talent was there. UT was headed in the wrong direction. UA was not consistent. UGA was 10 wins and not really a threat each year. And Spurrier shocked many with what he did at USC. But once Saban came back and the SEC was not a pushover he bolted. The same thing happened at OSU. He walked in when the B10 was OSU and no one else. Once UM hired JH and PSU could pressure OSU for the title he once again bailed. I do not care what reasons are told but the optics to me happened the way I wrote it. He walked into the 2 top prorgams with easy paths to a NC and once he actually had to compete in both conferences to get there he was gone.
This is absurd. There’s no such thing as easy paths to championships. A coach might get lucky with a loaded team once (Chizik, Orgeron). There’s no such thing as pure luck winning 3 national titles and being one of 3 coaches to win a national title at 2 different schools.
Meyer won everywhere he went. What was the luck he had having a historical shite Bowling green win 70% of their games in his 2 seasons there or turning Utah into a legit program that won a BCS bowl.
People have a serious issue separating success from people’s character. It’s moronic. You can be a scum bag and a Hall of Fame coach. Meyer was both.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 9:58 am to TideWarrior
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I just think he gets credit due to his timing. At UF and OSU he walked into great situations with each conference.
You aren't wrong that both situations were good and had power vacuums within each conference, but someone had to fill those voids and he did it. It takes a great coach to step in and be the undisputed alpha of a conference in just a few years.
There were also a lot of question marks about him going into each situation. At Florida he was just another mid major coach who had won some games and was getting his shot. That has been the story of countless failed coaches at big programs. At Ohio St he was the coach who had retired very young in 2009 immediately after being dethroned, changed his mind, had a shitty team, and retired again a year later. Did he still have the drive? Was it just Tebow?
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:05 am to FireDanMullen
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These sound pretty synonymous to me. You just hopped on your soap box and described it in more detail than I did. Yeah, Meyer was a scum bag with character issues and his accomplishments make him a top 10 coach, is that better? lol
Being a scum bag isn't what made him flame out. It was his inability to move on and get his team to follow after suffering defeat. Who does everyone give credit to for the 08 national title after the embarrassing Ole Miss loss.....Tebow. Who wasn't there following the 09 lost season to pick the team back up in 2010...Tebow. And it's not because of Tebow's motivational speaking which UF players openly mocked. It's because he had a positive attitude and had to fill that void where his coach couldn't. Meyer had zero leadership ability in times of crisis. That's a coaching problem, not a character/scum bag problem.
This post was edited on 9/20/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:30 am to BLG
If I did all the fricked up shite he does, that money, those women and titles mean jack shite to me.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:50 am to BLG
Coach Kelly shared his opinion by halftime!
Posted on 9/20/24 at 10:55 am to Gaius
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Gaius Member since Sep 2024
Oh boy
Posted on 9/20/24 at 11:47 am to MillerLiteTime
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Meyer was an elite coach. Saban and Meyer had that same passion and work ethic to doing whatever it took to win. But Saban didn't have the emotional highs and lows. Saban could move on from a win the following Monday as if there was nothing to celebrate, and in turn, could accept a loss and focus on fixing it Monday. Winning made Meyer a king in in own mind and losing made him feel like the smallest man on earth. That's what gave Saban a career that will always be talked about and Meyer a giant asterisk.
"The process" is a lesson we can all learn from and has been written about by many psychologists and self help experts long before Saban made it famous. Focus on small daily goals and improvement, ignore the good and bad short term results, and the success will eventually come and be long lasting. It's basically using the compounding interest approach to your relationships, life, and career rather than just with finances. Urban Meyer was Carl Icahn. Saban was Warren Buffett. Both are rich but one is a lot more rich and respected than the other.
That was very well stated and is an excellent analogy.
There is no way you went to bama...
Posted on 9/20/24 at 12:37 pm to BLG
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I think he quit at UF because he didn't want to compete against Nick Saban
Bernie Machen was president at Utah then left for UF. He knew Meyer and was a big part of Meyer being sought by UF. Machen told people that Meyer would burn out quickly because of his intensity. That's what happened.
About coming back to UF, Meyer said "that ship has sailed". However, there's an insider that was told to not believe anything you're hearing. I think they're going to make a run at Meyer and force him to say no. There are opportunities to restructure things now and turn NIL into an advantage, rather than a burden. You can use NIL to get players on campus so a coach never travels. His recruiting would be done on campus. Tell NIL what you need, let NIL bring talent to you, recruit them, sign them right there on campus, and put more focus on the program internally. That is manageable, I believe. This reduces the recruiting burden and eliminates the NIL burden from the coach. I think that can work.
Posted on 9/20/24 at 12:49 pm to jonnyanony
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He always struck me as a pretty miserable person. I met him a couple of times and everyone he talked to it was like he wasn't even there. Didn't smile at anyone.
You can have everything and still be miserable. He's chasing something you can only have for a short period of time. Then there's all the in-between time.
I was going to say the same thing. I don't think I have seen that guy have a genuine smile on his face for a long time. People can trash Saban all they want but he definitely had his moments when you know he is letting his guard down and is genuinely happy. You hear behind the scene stories about Saban that make him sound personable. I am not sure you are going to ever hear a story about Meyer like those.
The cash and 3 titles are great but it doesn't seem like has a very good reputation, professionally or personally.
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