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Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:32 pm to New Money
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I'm all for capitalism, which means we have an open marketplace. What the OP is proposing is fascism.
Not really.
The NFL does not have to allow a CFL team to join the NFL because that team wants to try for a NFL title. The teams in the NFL get to determine who they associate with. Yes they can add the AFL (like they did years back), but they don't HAVE to.
The reality is that right now two conferences have 95% of the content that college football consumers care about right now. Those two conferences absolutely CAN decide who they want to compete against and it's purely capitalist, just like it is that the NFL teams don't want arena league or CFL teams competing against the Bills.
It's fascist if an outside influence FORCES them to associate with other teams, rather than letting the markets decide (well... not really fascist but fascist in the way you're using the term).
Capitalism lets those with the most resources win. It's not capitalism if the system forces those with more resources into a system they don't want.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:32 pm to Krampus
in short, frick you OP.
more specifically: stop applauding the enrichment of college administrators & television executives at the expense of killing everything that makes this sport special.
more specifically: stop applauding the enrichment of college administrators & television executives at the expense of killing everything that makes this sport special.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:32 pm to Krampus
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If that were still true we would still think of big time Bowl Games as the pinnacle of achievement for a season
At this point, making a bowl game is the pinnacle of achievement for A&M
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:49 pm to ChadThundercock
quote:It won't...
My biggest gripe is how this going to effect everyone's scheduling
You're headed towards 2 24+/- team conferences, with 3 divisions apiece.
Big 10 East: Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, some others
Big 10 Central: Ohio State, Michigan etc; the "main" Big 10
Big 10 West: USC and the rest of the Pac, some others
SEC East: Likely Clemson and some ACC teams, with maybe SC and Fla
SEC Central: Alabama and most of the "old true SEC"
SEC West: LSU, the Miss schools, Arkansas, OU, the Texas schools, Mizzou
Conference schedules- play everyone in your division, a rotation of 1 each from the others, maybe more. You might lose all of your OOC games.
Playoffs- ignore the current NCAA model. You will have conference divisional rounds, with maybe 1 wildcard alongside divisional winners.
Conference champs will then play a college 'superbowl'.
Everyone that doesn't get into these 2 superconferences, most likely, will become a different tier.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:51 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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College football is about tradition.
Oh yeah. What traditions? And can you name 1 tradition they wouldn't do away with for enough money?
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:51 pm to Scoob
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You're headed towards 2 24+/- team conferences, with 3 divisions apiece.
I disagree.
I see no financial reason they SEC would expand beyond 16 right now. Until I see one, I simply doubt any scenario like this happens.
The SEC members care about money. They'll expand if they make more. Until someone can point out how they would end up making more by getting bigger, I have doubt it will happen.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:10 pm to Krampus
Not saying I disagree with you but your idea does not explain how TCU got into the title game last season.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:17 pm to DawginSC
quote:Step back and look at the bigger picture...
see no financial reason they SEC would expand beyond 16 right now. Until I see one, I simply doubt any scenario like this happens.
The SEC members care about money. They'll expand if they make more. Until someone can point out how they would end up making more by getting bigger, I have doubt it will happen.
NCAA Division 1 FBS is big. 133 teams, as of recently. In theory, that's 133 teams that will all play for a shot at the playoffs.
Now, we know that number is inflated, because a huge amount will never have a shot. We divide it currently into P5 and G5 teams, and teams in the MAC, MWC, and Sunbelt are never going to get a shot (ok, in the current scenario, maybe 1 from all of these combined, will get in).
So, the SEC and Big 10 are in an arms race, and if they can get enough (combined is the easiest way), THEY become the next "P5" or whatever you call it, and everyone else is the next version of G5.
quote:To keep up with the Big 10, so they will have the same quality/quantity of product to offer when the next broadcast/streaming deals are negotiated.
I see no financial reason they SEC would expand beyond 16 right now
You don't have to like it, I personally hate it. But pretending it can't happen won't stop it.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:18 pm to DawginSC
Saying those schools should never even have the opportunity to compete and that they should always and forever be at a lower tier is the issue.
If they never make it, so be it, but flat out excluding them from ever being able to even give it a shot is unamerican.
If they never make it, so be it, but flat out excluding them from ever being able to even give it a shot is unamerican.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:32 pm to Krampus
I agree...somewhat
Yes, Having Troy, Buffalo and UAB compete for the same title as Bama, Ohio St and UGA is not gonna happen and if I'm at UAB or Troy I want to know I have a legitimate shot to win a title and being in a "lesser" division affords that.
There's the other part that says I want to be part of something magical that might happen.
At the end of the day though, yes, If I'm at Southern Miss and I know I lost 4 games to P5 teams by a combined score of 200-21 but won my Sunbelt games by an average margin of 30 points, I would feel I shouldn't be playing in the same FBS organization.
Yes, Having Troy, Buffalo and UAB compete for the same title as Bama, Ohio St and UGA is not gonna happen and if I'm at UAB or Troy I want to know I have a legitimate shot to win a title and being in a "lesser" division affords that.
There's the other part that says I want to be part of something magical that might happen.
At the end of the day though, yes, If I'm at Southern Miss and I know I lost 4 games to P5 teams by a combined score of 200-21 but won my Sunbelt games by an average margin of 30 points, I would feel I shouldn't be playing in the same FBS organization.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:35 pm to New Money
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Saying those schools should never even have the opportunity to compete and that they should always and forever be at a lower tier is the issue.
If they never make it, so be it, but flat out excluding them from ever being able to even give it a shot is unamerican.
You want to compete, you have to prove you're serious first.
I'd love to win the Masters, but they sure as shite aren't going to let my 12-over-par self compete for it. Nor should they, because it would only serve to devalue the event for the players that actually deserve to be there.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:55 pm to MrAUTigers
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Those Universities need that money.
Bull shite.
Colleges from coast to coast are rolling in money they've fleeced from federal loan programs over the last 30 years. They aren't going to shut down if they lose a couple of football games.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:55 pm to New Money
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Saying those schools should never even have the opportunity to compete and that they should always and forever be at a lower tier is the issue.
If they never make it, so be it, but flat out excluding them from ever being able to even give it a shot is unamerican.
Divisions have existed forever across all NCAA sports, though. Montana State can get paid $1mm to visit Jordan-Hare and University of West Florida can play basketball against Florida all they want, but they can't actually compete for and win the national title at a higher division.
I don't see why having an FCS, FBS and "FES" would or should be any different.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 3:34 pm to Krampus
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Bull shite.
Colleges from coast to coast are rolling in money they've fleeced from federal loan programs over the last 30 years. They aren't going to shut down if they lose a couple of football games.
It has nothing to do with "shutting down" and everything to do with making said University a better product........on the field and in the classroom. Do you honestly believe that tuition alone pays those professors salaries?
You are very narrow minded about this.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 3:38 pm to MrAUTigers
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Do you honestly believe that tuition alone pays those professors salaries?
At current rates, tuition alone absolutely should pay professors salaries.
Colleges are rolling in more cash than they've ever had before. They'll be fine if their football team plays against competiton roughly equivalent to their own program.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 3:42 pm to Krampus
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Colleges are rolling in more cash than they've ever had before
At bama, UGA, etc.........sure
The Mercers of the world are looking for every nickel they can get.
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They'll be fine if their football team plays against competiton roughly equivalent to their own program.
so Florida A&M is going to pay $1.5M to Alabama A&M for a game?
I saw just the other day where some DIII college is closing it's doors because they owe over $700K for utilities they can't pay the bill for.
ETA just a few
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This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 3:46 pm to MrAUTigers
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I saw just the other day where some DIII college is closing it's doors because they owe over $700K for utilities they can't pay the bill for.
Colleges are for educating first and foremost. If a college can't keep its doors open on the merits of the degrees they award (sell), then they should close their doors.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 6:32 pm to TrumpedUpVol
The difference is that right now, those divisions are voluntary.
The OP is proposing a permanent division that schools can't play or invest themselves into.
The OP is proposing a permanent division that schools can't play or invest themselves into.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:46 pm to New Money
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The OP is proposing a permanent division that schools can't play or invest themselves into.
I'm the OP, and I proposed no such thing.
Programs have always been able to move between divisions, but moving up a division comes with a commitment to match the resource expenditure of the new division to show commitment to competing at the same level as your new peer programs.
The low level hangers-on in D1 FBS do not match commitment of the major programs. They are grandfathered in without having to actually compete or commit the resources necessary to compete, which is why we have such absurd matchups in CFB today.
The minor programs will never leave voluntarily, there's too much money for them to make by sticking around. The major programs will eventually need to leave the minor ones behind to restore balance to the sport. And I am glad to see it happening via conference realignment.
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