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re: UGA played seven teams in the final AP top 25
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:41 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:41 pm to djsdawg
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Both teams had elite offenses.
I mean 2019 LSU scored over 100 more points in their season than Georgia did.
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One team clearly had a better defense.
Or did they just play less really good offenses?
Tennessee was a really good offensive team and Georgia did shut them down but Ohio State seemed to have very few problems.
LSU moved the ball fairly well vs that defense despite the starting quarterback being injured.
What other good offense did they face?
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:56 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I mean 2019 LSU scored over 100 more points in their season than Georgia did.
And against top 25 teams (both teams played 7), UGA scored 28 more points and allowed 89 points less.
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Or did they just play less really good offenses?
UGA played the #1 (Tenn), #2 (OSU), #9 (TCU) and #10 (Oregon) scoring offenses in the NCAA. They allowed an average of 16 points per game. Only one of those teams scored more than 14 points.
The top 4 scoring offenses LSU faced in 2019 were ranked #2 (Bama), #4 (Clemson), #6 (OU) and #17 (Texas). LSU allowed 33 points a game vs those teams. The lowest they held any of them was Clemson to 25.
33 vs 16.
After that UGA played the #24 (LSU), #40 (SC) and #43 (MSU) offenses in the top 50. Allowed 20, 7 and 19.
LSU played the #28 (AU), #29 (UF) and #49 (UGA) scoring offenses in the top 50. Allowed 20, 28 and 10.
The reality is LSU destroyed their cupcakes while UGA played with their desert.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:03 pm to DawginSC
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And against top 25 teams (both teams played 7), UGA scored 28 more points and allowed 89 points less.
Why just limit it to an arbitrary amount like the top 25?
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UGA played the #1 (Tenn), #2 (OSU), #9 (TCU) and #10 (Oregon) scoring offenses in the NCAA. They allowed an average of 16 points per game. Only one of those teams scored more than 14 points.
The top 4 scoring offenses LSU faced in 2019 were ranked #2 (Bama), #4 (Clemson), #6 (OU) and #17 (Texas). LSU allowed 33 points a game vs those teams. The lowest they held any of them was Clemson to 25.
I mean TCU was a good offense in the vacuum of this season.
They weren't a very good offense in the grand scheme of good offenses and were easily shut down because they just didn't have anywhere close to the same amount of talent.
Tennesee and Oregon were good offenses although it took Oregon a bit to hit their stride with Nix being a transfer and a new coaching staff.
The Georgia defense was very soft against the pass and they just didn't match up with many teams who had the personnel to take advantage of that.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:08 pm to SidewalkTiger
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And against top 25 teams (both teams played 7), UGA scored 28 more points and allowed 89 points less.
Why just limit it to an arbitrary amount like the top 25?
Why have a playoff? Why not just round Robin the entire tournament?
Because we are looking for comparable teams that won't be littered with garbage time. How does a team look against a quality opponent?
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The Georgia defense was very soft against the pass and they just didn't match up with many teams who had the personnel to take advantage of that
The Georgia defense was soft when the DL couldn't get a pass rush. That happens when the OL tackles the defenders when they lose the rep and no flags are thrown. The style of play suits QB/WR combos that are first rounders and doesn't suit teams that are built to win in the trenches.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:13 pm to meansonny
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Thanks 2022 LSU for sucking so bad to help defend your 2019 legacy.
Did you actually just attempt to make an argument that a teams football games played in 2022 somehow affect the 2019 teams legacy?
If we are "defending" the 2019 CFP, I certainly wish we had hired some Pinkerton guys to stand in front of the trophy case 24/7.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:14 pm to meansonny
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Because we are looking for comparable teams that won't be littered with garbage time. How does a team look against a quality opponent?
So let's just use the SECCG + playoff model then.
2019 LSU gave up 21 points per game and 2022 Georgia gave up 26 points per game.
2019 LSU faced Jake Fromm, Jalen Hurts, and Trevor Lawrence. Also worth noting that LSU gave up two touchdowns to Oklahoma in garbage time.
2022 Georgia faced a combo of Jayden Daniels/Garrett Nussmeier, CJ Stroud, and Max Duggan.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:15 pm to SidewalkTiger
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mean 2019 LSU scored over 100 more points in their season than Georgia did.
If uga was in garbage time more Often, this doesn’t mean all that much.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:16 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why just limit it to an arbitrary amount like the top 25?
Because most people view top 25 teams as being pretty good. We've used that definition of being "ranked" for around 50 years or so.
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I mean TCU was a good offense in the vacuum of this season.
They weren't a very good offense in the grand scheme of good offenses and were easily shut down because they just didn't have anywhere close to the same amount of talent.
Tennesee and Oregon were good offenses although it took Oregon a bit to hit their stride with Nix being a transfer and a new coaching staff.
The Georgia defense was very soft against the pass and they just didn't match up with many teams who had the personnel to take advantage of that
This response contains a lot of opinion and is short of stats.
UGA played 4 offenses ranked in the top 10 and held 3 of them to 13, 7 and 3 points.
That's doing very well defensively.
Your "very soft against the pass" comment is based largely on 2 games. LSU and OSU.
The reality is that against LSU, UGA was up 35-10 at the half and stopped bringing pressure, going with more of a prevent approach in the second half. They were also facing a QB they hadn't prepared for.
That didn't work as without the pressure LSU was able to get a lot of yards and useless points... but it was in a game that UGA won by 20.
OSU had a heisman QB and a NFL top pick at WR and the refs decided not to call holding on the OL (on either team) all game long. As UGA's pass defense was more dependent on the pass rush, that was a pretty big negative for UGA.
But the reality is only 4 teams passed for more than 215 yards against UGA this season.
261 for MSU
271 for UF
348 for OSU
502 for LSU
While that shows a sub par game defensively against the pass vs OSU and a horrendous one vs LSU... other than that UGA was pretty great against the pass. And that included three teams in the top 17 passing offenses (Tennessee, MSU and Oregon).
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:21 pm to DawginSC
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The reality is that against LSU, UGA was up 35-10 at the half and stopped bringing pressure, going with more of a prevent approach in the second half. They were also facing a QB they hadn't prepared for.
What about the first half when an injured Jayden Daniels managed to throw for 200 yards before leaving the game?
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the refs decided not to call holding on the OL (on either team) all game long. As UGA's pass defense was more dependent on the pass rush, that was a pretty big negative for UGA.
Muh refs
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Also worth noting that LSU gave up two touchdowns to Oklahoma in garbage time.
And UGA gave up 20 points to LSU in garbage time. Don't forget that.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
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SidewalkTiger
I mean wow at the cherry picking you are doing. Your rebuttal to both teams having elite offense is that LSU scored 100 more points than UGA. Yet you ignore the fact that LSU let up over 100 more points than UGA. Can't have it both ways. Let me show you some quick facts...
Back to back, most points in championship history, biggest blowout in championship history, biggest blowout in any bowl ever, top 5 offense and defense, beat 7 ranked teams, Average: +29.4 Scoring Margin against final top 25 teams(which is the highest of all time) all this in a rebuild year after losing 15 players to the draft and 13 to the portal. Best of all time and it's not even close!!!
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:23 pm to Basura Blanco
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Did you actually just attempt to make an argument
It is a joke.
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football games played in 2022 somehow affect the 2019 teams legacy?
No. I can't believe that I have to explain the joke. Lol
The difference in the average rankings per opponent between 2019 and 2022 are the SEC Championship Game opponents. 2019 UGA (#4) for LSU. And 2022 LSU (#16) for UGA.
If you reverse the opponent rankings, then UGA has the tougher schedule by average.
In order to make it a joke, I accuse LSU to conspire and do this on purpose. Because clinging to 2019 after firing Coach O is the sole purpose of a Bengal tigers existence (as evidenced on this board the past 3 post seasons).
Do you know what a joke is son? I made a funny and you are not laughing.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:26 pm to DrewDawg13
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I mean wow at the cherry picking you are doing.
So Georgia fans only like the cherry picking to go one way?
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
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What about the first half when an injured Jayden Daniels managed to throw for 200 yards before leaving the game?
What about it?
LSU had 2 solid drives with Daniels (with one large chunk pass for 50+ yards)... then UGA adjusted and LSU had drives of -2, 8, 0 and -6 yards. At that point UGA was up 35-7 and went into prevent mode and stopped bringing pressure.
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Muh refs
Not really. Ref's called it even. They just weren't calling holding on the OL (for either team). Both OL's were mauling the pass rushers.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:28 pm to diddlydawg7
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:29 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So Georgia fans only like the cherry picking to go one way?
The question that was asked was "what good offenses did UGA face".
I pointed out they faced 4 in the top 10 scoring offenses. LSU only faced 3 in 2019.
You're discounting some of those 4 not based on statistics, but based on your opinions. That's what you do when the numbers don't support your argument.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:35 pm to DawginSC
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You're discounting some of those 4 not based on statistics, but based on your opinions. That's what you do when the numbers don't support your argument.
I mean it's pretty obvious that TCU wasn't a "great offense."
Their numbers were quite inflated due to getting in shootouts and beating up on the Big 12, look at their performance in the Big 12 championship game, it was atrocious.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:37 pm to SidewalkTiger
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What about the first half when an injured Jayden Daniels managed to throw for 200 yards before leaving the game
Yeah. That was great. I notice that you referenced yards and not points.
You know how to win football games? LSU was losing 35-10 when Nuss took over.
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Muh refs
They called it the same both ways.
It was a fair fight.
If you read more carefully, the point is that the style of game favors a team built off a 1st round QB and 1st round receiver (it doesn't favor a team built to win in the trenches).
Even despite that. UGA outplayed Ohio.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:39 pm to diddlydawg7
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Seems pretty comparable
Actually seems even worse for Georgia when you put it in those terms.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:43 pm to SidewalkTiger
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So Georgia fans only like the cherry picking to go one way?
You're the only one cherry picking, here are the facts again.
Back to back, most points in championship history, biggest blowout in championship history, biggest blowout in any bowl ever, top 5 offense and defense, beat 7 ranked teams, Average: +29.4 Scoring Margin against final top 25 teams(which is the highest of all time) all this in a rebuild year after losing 15 players to the draft and 13 to the portal. Best of all time and it's not even close!!!
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