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re: UGA can become academically relevant by aligning w/ Georgia Tech
Posted on 7/5/22 at 9:33 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
Posted on 7/5/22 at 9:33 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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I’m tired of Tech sucking. I want them to get it together.
Well imagine how we feel.
In all seriousness the administration at Tech has to decide whether or not to invest what it takes to be successful in D1 athletics. NIL is probably going to destroy college football and basketball anyway but if it somehow doesn't then Tech is at a crossroads when it comes to staying relevant and competing. Time to shite or get off the pot.
There's no reason why they can't win big if they really want to. Fertile recruiting ground for all 3 major sports. World class education. Big city. But it takes money and the full commitment from the school to get it done in today's environment. If the Big 10 or SEC was to throw Tech a lifeline out of the ACC they better take it or Tech athletics is done.
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 10:28 pm to meansonny
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I dont think it helps education, though.
Smaller counties are much more flexible to grab an initiative and run with it.
Smaller counties are much more flexible to grab newer technology and run with it.
I agree that secondary institutions have a lot of room for growth. I just disagree with your prescription for cure.
Having to fund separate tiny school systems is an inefficient use of money. There is such a thing as too big as well, but very few of Georgia school systems approach that.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 4:40 am to tylerdurden24
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Medical College was proposed but smothered in its crib when MCG and Augusta threw a bitch fit at the state level because they knew the public school competition would destroy their local economy. So now it’s just a glorified pre-Med/public health program/campus.
So what’s next for the UGa - MCG thing? Are they going to separate out the campus and make it it’s own medical school or are they going to continue on this partnership? Like it doesn’t make sense that all of GA only has one public medical school. Look at how many Florida has.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:53 am to PassingThrough
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Having to fund separate tiny school systems is an inefficient use of money. There is such a thing as too big as well, but very few of Georgia school systems approach that.
You have nothing to base your opinion on other than your opinion.
As i have stated, smaller systems have exponentially more flexibility to direct resources (to fewer students). They also provide better student to teacher ratios.
You can claim that is inefficient. But the resources are in direct benefit of the students. That is the entire point of education. Not for the promotion of bloated administrations.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:28 am to PassingThrough
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The best way to do that is to start consolidating counties. So much money is wasted on too many tiny (both in land and in population) counties in Georgia.
In addition to county mergers, there also needs to be city-county consolidations like what took place with Athens, Macon, Columbus, Augusta, etc. in order to reduce duplicative governments.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:36 am to meansonny
It’s not an argument from specifics it’s an argument from economics. You’re not dealing with a home school culture in theses communities with a high percentage of intact families, dad makes a healthy living and mom can invest her time in the children's education and care. There is a threshold where the pursuit of efficiencies and economy of scale become bureaucracies but that’s a ways away.
And It’s not just education. It’s public works, sheriffs dept and jails, sanitation, fire and rescue, road maintenance etc. you need at least 25k people to operate/justify a independent county or have shared services with a neighboring county. It’s particularly bad in areas where your rural lands are timber and not an annual row crop. You may have 10 individuals that own 1/2 the land in that county and they don’t live there. On top of that’s there’s no annual commercial enterprise taking place on the land to generate sales taxes, jobs, buy diesel, etc. and the land is in conservation so they pay the lowest tax rate possible. It all adds up to a very poor county.
And It’s not just education. It’s public works, sheriffs dept and jails, sanitation, fire and rescue, road maintenance etc. you need at least 25k people to operate/justify a independent county or have shared services with a neighboring county. It’s particularly bad in areas where your rural lands are timber and not an annual row crop. You may have 10 individuals that own 1/2 the land in that county and they don’t live there. On top of that’s there’s no annual commercial enterprise taking place on the land to generate sales taxes, jobs, buy diesel, etc. and the land is in conservation so they pay the lowest tax rate possible. It all adds up to a very poor county.
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 8:43 am
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:41 am to Pulpwood Patterson
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Imagine if your in state rival just quit. They could never do so in an official capacity, but they accomplished it effectively. It’s not as great.
I wouldn't call what we did "quitting" so much as a cadre of bad decision making over the past 60 years (just in football alone):
-Leaving the SEC in 1963
-Bobby Dodd remaining as AD for a decade after retiring from coaching
-Letting facilities degrade to garbage by the late 1970s and nearly dropping to D3 football
-Hiring Bill Lewis after the 1991 season instead of George O'Leary
-Hiring Chan Gailey in 2002
-Taking on massive debt to expand Grant Field to a size not sustainable by the Tech fanbase
-Running Paul Johnson out of town and replacing him with a clown excuse-machine in Geoff Collins
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:42 am to tissle
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Also - have you been to Midtown? It's from from ghetto.
The area around Tech used to be pretty rough, with students getting robbed fairly often. Development has changed that, along with better police efforts. Am hearing some of the Varsity property might be redeveloped. Hope that doesn’t mean all of it.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:43 am to Wally Sparks
That's a pretty good summary of what happened.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:48 am to BrotherDawg84
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Am hearing some of the Varsity property might be redeveloped. Hope that doesn’t mean all of it.
I believe they're looking at developing the parking lots they own north of it up to 3rd Street. The current structure will likely stay around for a while.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:52 am to PassingThrough
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Having to fund separate tiny school systems is an inefficient use of money
The county system is fine. The bigger issue is having an independent district inside of smaller counties. I'm not sure Georgia has too many of those though.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:59 am to Wally Sparks
So you’d describe it more as neglectful decay? That’s a good description and observably consistent. So what do you think they’re going to do about it?
I believe abandoning scholarship athletics and going full MIT/CP is a great plan. I think doubling down on athletics is a great plan. What I don’t think is a good plan is the uncommitted lukewarm in between.
I believe abandoning scholarship athletics and going full MIT/CP is a great plan. I think doubling down on athletics is a great plan. What I don’t think is a good plan is the uncommitted lukewarm in between.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:18 am to Wally Sparks
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Am hearing some of the Varsity property might be redeveloped. Hope that doesn’t mean all of it.
I believe they're looking at developing the parking lots they own north of it up to 3rd Street. The current structure will likely stay around for a while.
I hope so. Otherwise I have to drive to Kennesaw to get my chili cheese slaw dogs and onion rings.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:20 am to Pulpwood Patterson
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So you’d describe it more as neglectful decay?
Depends on who you ask. The Hill (Tech's admin) generally has much higher priorities than winning FB games, though we're definitely in much better shape than our nadir of 1979-81.
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So what do you think they’re going to do about it?
Honestly, not a whole lot given we're overloaded with debt.
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I believe abandoning scholarship athletics and going full MIT/CP is a great plan. I think doubling down on athletics is a great plan.
If it came down to it, Tech would go for the former over the latter.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 10:23 am to Poichess
Out of curiosity...what do you mean by "Academically relevant"? Seems kind of like a vague term.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:02 am to DawgsLife
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Out of curiosity...what do you mean by "Academically relevant"? Seems kind of like a vague term.
I'd ignore him. OP is a fricking idiot.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 4:40 pm to VinegarStrokes
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I'd ignore him. OP is a fricking idiot.
My thoughts exactly.
Posted on 7/6/22 at 5:06 pm to Wally Sparks
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-Hiring Chan Gailey in 2002
Gailey had you guys consistently at 7-6 in most years if IRC...
With where the program is now that record on avg would be kinda sweet
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:41 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
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In my opinion any university in Georgia's first job when it comes to enrollment is to educate the students of this state then deal with the rest.
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Is a school who trains foreigners really the best use of US and Georgia Tax dollars ...
U.S. big tech would cease to exist (it also applies to many other schools)… it’s mostly Chinese and Indian talent writing code and maintaining the systems at Apple, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Meta… some of these companies even have Indian born CEOs (Microsoft, Google, Intel, Adobe, IBM, Nvidia, etc)… it would take trillions of dollars and decades to fix the system (national level) and build sufficient talent pipelines… however, I agree that the whole system is out of control and you shouldn’t fully rely on foreign born talent in the future…
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:52 pm to Wally Sparks
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Augusta
The Augusta merger ruined Richmond county. The merger was used to cover the water works money being used to prop up the city for years. Now it’s a decaying shell with no hope
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