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re: Transfer Portal Is Retarded
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:28 pm to Havoc
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:28 pm to Havoc
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But now I feel like the true “wrong” is forcing these kids, who generally have but a few years to make or break, to remain in a system that isn’t working for them. What is the goal and what does it accomplish?
This is especially so (i.e. a wrong) if the situation involves 1) a system that changed from when they signed, or 2) if they were deceived in some way in their recruitment.
That's how it works in the NFL. It's part of the business of sports. And all athletes have a limited shelf-life. But, if you choose to go into a career path of the entertainment industry, there are going to be inherent risks going that route.
An NFL player under contract can't demand to play elsewhere because of a coaching change, lack of playing time, not being in a good system, etc. And those guys have no choice of where they play unless they're free agents. They're drafted by a team they don't pick and they can be traded against their will. If they refuse to play, they don't get paid. And if they refuse to sign with the team who drafts them, they can't play either for a year and have to reenter the draft and start that process again.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 12:31 pm
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:31 pm to purplepanther
Agree.
You should dance with the one who brought you.
You should dance with the one who brought you.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:37 pm to Tickytiger
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I think it hurts the HS kids the most. Why sign a 17 year old when I can get a 20-23 year old man that is more physically developed and has more time in the game. Obviously, there are exceptions but how many 3 stars get left behind now with no offer?
Some coaches have said they prefer a new recruit (HS) as a clean slate that can be worked into their system rather than a transfer who may have bad habits, baggage, etc. Both sides are pretty valid IMO just varies with the situation and player.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:37 pm to MAROON
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the vast majority of players who enter the portal will not be picked up - their college athletic career will be over. Once the players realize this it will stop some from entering - but it will be the depth guys who some coaches would actually like to have leave so they can grab a better guy or replace with a high school guy.
You aren't off your current team when you enter the portal. YOu are when you sign the transfer documents. Those who are NOT picked up are still on scholarship at the school they were thinking of leaving. They just take their name out of the portal.
UGA OL Amarius Mims entered the transfer portal after his freshman year. He took his name out a bit later. He's contributed as a solid depth piece at LT this year and will likely start next season (at LT or RT depending on NFL losses)
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:41 pm to purplepanther
It will be the destruction of college football!
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:42 pm to BamaScoop
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It will be the destruction of college football!
Correction: it will be the destruction of college football's traditional dynastic superteams.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:43 pm to lsufball19
Great points but the first issue I see with the NFL comparison is obviously age. Holding 17-20 year olds (mostly) to the same or similar “business” or contractual expectations and hinderances as 21+ year olds, that have been through the college system experience, seems harsh.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:44 pm to purplepanther
Melt isn’t a bad word when done correctly. This is a legit melt. I agree with you.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:45 pm to Havoc
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Some coaches have said they prefer a new recruit (HS) as a clean slate that can be worked into their system rather than a transfer who may have bad habits, baggage, etc. Both sides are pretty valid IMO just varies with the situation and player.
UGA seems to have two types of guys they want to bring in through the portal.
-1-year rentals to bridge to upcoming talent when experience is lacking (This was Derion Kendrick at CB last year and what was intended with Jaime Newman at QB before he sat out the covid year. Also guys like DB Tykee Smith, TE Tre McKitty, TE Eli Wolf, WR Lawrence Cager )
-Guys they really wanted to land as a recruit who become available a year or two later (Arik Gilbert at TE, Demetrius Robertson at WR)
Other than that, UGA always seems to prefer new HS recruits.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:46 pm to MAROON
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the vast majority of players who enter the portal will not be picked up - their college athletic career will be over.
very true. It's probably even worse now, but an article I read last year talked about all the players in the portal who wouldn't find a scholarship as there were 1/3 as many scholarships available as players in the portal, and several hundred of the players at that point who had found scholarships had to step down to FCS or DII to find one.
LSU had a player who was a top 250 recruit, Mannie Netherly, in the 2017 class. He was signed as a WR but was asked to switch to DB due to being buried behind guys like Chase, Jefferson, Marshall, etc. He was one of the WRs who started at DB in the 2018 Fiesta Bowl. After that 2018 season, he entered the portal thinking he'd find a spot somewhere given his blue chip status coming out of high school.
He would find out the hard way. He found no offers. He then took classes at a junior college while trying to find a spot. He never did and never played another down of football. He's now working as a FedEx delivery driver to support his child.
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Since Aug. 1, about 1,500 players have entered the transfer portal, according to a 247Sports database that tracks portal movement. That’s just 200 players shy of the total number who entered the portal all of last cycle, from Aug. 1, 2019 to July 31, 2020.
However, portal numbers can be skewed. As many as one-third of those players are walk-ons, according to an SI examination of the portal. As of last week, only 964 of the 1,500 FBS players in the portal garnered a recruiting ranking from 247Sports (a vast majority of the other 500 are walk-ons).
Of the 964, nearly 60% (558) are uncommitted and still searching for a landing spot. The 964 players are split between those transferring from the Power 5 (557 players) and those transferring from the Group of Five (407 players). In a striking statistic, of the 299 Power 5 players who have committed to a new school, 60% took a step down in level, their next destination a Group of Five or FCS school. Just one-third of Group of Five transfers stepped up to the Power 5.
There’s also a collection of portal entrants, the number of which is unknown, who have had to swallow a very difficult medicine: They’ve become walk-ons. Some, like Netherly, may soon be out of football completely.
“Right now, there are a lot of kids in the portal that are not going to find scholarships,” Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby says. “There may be twice as many people in the portal as there are places to transfer. There will be some who won’t be able to go to college if they don’t get a scholarship.”
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:48 pm to Havoc
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Great points but the first issue I see with the NFL comparison is obviously age. Holding 17-20 year olds (mostly) to the same or similar “business” or contractual expectations and hinderances as 21+ year olds, that have been through the college system experience, seems harsh.
Well, you had 17/18 year old basketball players fresh out of high school dealing with that reality in the NBA for years and you still do in baseball.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:04 pm to lsufball19
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Well, you had 17/18 year old basketball players fresh out of high school dealing with that reality in the NBA for years and you still do in baseball.
That always seemed off to me. How common is that for each? Seems much more in baseball than basketball.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:05 pm to purplepanther
quote:If a coach can break his contract/commitment to a team and take a position with another school, you'd have to be a shitty person to say a student athlete cannot.
do we really want ncaa free agency every off season
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:09 pm to purplepanther
quote:It's not about "fairness" to the teams, it's about fairness to the "student athletes" and is lawsuit driven. Coaches can leave. Fans can leave. Every other student can leave. Some reason football players can't?
Also before anyone says I’m a boomer or that this is an old way of thinking.. I'm 20 and I’ve watched college football since before I could wipe my own a**.
AND - pipe down boomer
Now carry on with your melt
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:10 pm to CedarChest
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Nobody gets out there and beats the bushes for that diamond in the rough like Kirby does.
Yeah, Kirby’s the only one doing that.
Well maybe every.one.of.the. G5’s are trying to find diamonds in the rough.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:13 pm to lsufball19
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LSU had a player who was a top 250 recruit, Mannie Netherly, in the 2017 class. He was signed as a WR but was asked to switch to DB due to being buried behind guys like Chase, Jefferson, Marshall, etc. He was one of the WRs who started at DB in the 2018 Fiesta Bowl. After that 2018 season, he entered the portal thinking he'd find a spot somewhere given his blue chip status coming out of high school.
He would find out the hard way. He found no offers. He then took classes at a junior college while trying to find a spot. He never did and never played another down of football. He's now working as a FedEx delivery driver to support his child.
The reality is that entering the transfer portal doesn't take you off your current team. Signing transfer papers does.
If a player entered the portal and then wasn't allowed to come back to their team, that was their team cutting them and rescinding their scholarship... not the player leaving. Entering the portal is not leaving... actually transferring is.
Amarius Mims never lost his scholarship when he entered the portal from UGA last year. He later came out of the portal and is still on UGA's roster.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:17 pm to purplepanther
With the influx of secondary players transferring and NFL players opting out, how low will numbers be for bowl games?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:21 pm to purplepanther
It basically takes away the ability to build a team from scratch and maintain a top program by coaching the young players while they ride the bench and them waiting to play until their junior year. The portal really hurts the ability to maintain quality depth too
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:23 pm to TroyTider
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eah, Kirby’s the only one doing that.
Well maybe every.one.of.the. G5’s are trying to find diamonds in the rough.
Kirby is incredibly successful doing that.
3-star Jordan Davis... first round pick 2022
3-star Eric Stokes.... first round pick 2021
3-star Deandre Baker... first round pick 2019
3-star Solomon Kindley... 4th round pick 2020.
2-star Tae Crowder... 7th round pick (and Mr. Irrelevant) 2020
3-star Tre McKitty... 3rd round pick 2021.
3-star Jake Camarda... 4th round pick 2022 (granted... 3-star as a punter is a pretty good recruit)
3-star Justin SHaeffer... 6th round pick 2022.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:34 pm to lsufball19
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there needs to be a yearly cap on NIL money and also require players to be under contract to remain
Good luck with that. You KNOW some/many/most programs will not report accurate NIL earnings.
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