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re: Top 25 teams since 1960 (power ratings)
Posted on 7/14/26 at 7:20 pm to Tarpon08
Posted on 7/14/26 at 7:20 pm to Tarpon08
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A formula that spits out 2019 LSU 17 places behind an Ohio State and behind a Clemson team that beat Ohio State on a neutral field and got their shite pushed in by LSU is retarded.
Maybe you just don't understand what the rating actually means, and what it's saying.
1. "17 spots" is simply you not wrapping your head around how many team-seasons there have been since 1960. The difference between 2019 OSU and 2019 LSU is 4.5 points.
2. What is more likely: ESPN's data analysts are a bunch of retards OR Tarpon08 is a retard?
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Posted on 7/14/26 at 7:31 pm to MilkJug
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2. What is more likely: ESPN's data analysts are a bunch of retards OR Tarpon08 is a retard?
Yeah man I actually I think ESPN’s FPI analysis that ranks LSU as the 3rd best team in the 2019 season when even the haters on this board agree that it was at the very least a top 10 team of all time is both flawed and retarded.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 7:49 pm to Tarpon08
So you don't know what it is... It's not a ranking. It's a raw production rating (or index). A measure of a teams raw production (or strength) over their entire body of work - pitted against a league average team (that's what the actual number is - OSU would be favored by 33.7 points over the league average team - which was Purdue that year, per my model and ESPN's model). That's as simple as I can put it. Do you understand all that?
If 2019 OSU played 2019 LSU tomorrow, ESPN would have OSU as a 3 point favorite on a neutral field. My model would have OSU as a 4.5 point favorite. Why? over their entire body of work, OSU showed to have a really good offense and a really good defense. LSU, over their entire body of work, showed to have a really good offense and a "meh" defense at times. If you cannot see any reason why this makes any sense (which you've already implied), then you, my friend, are the retard.
If 2019 OSU played 2019 LSU tomorrow, ESPN would have OSU as a 3 point favorite on a neutral field. My model would have OSU as a 4.5 point favorite. Why? over their entire body of work, OSU showed to have a really good offense and a really good defense. LSU, over their entire body of work, showed to have a really good offense and a "meh" defense at times. If you cannot see any reason why this makes any sense (which you've already implied), then you, my friend, are the retard.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 7:58 pm to MilkJug
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If 2019 OSU played 2019 LSU tomorrow, ESPN would have OSU as a 3 point favorite on a neutral field.
That would be tough to gauge. They’re all older now.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 8:00 pm to Tarpon08
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That would be tough to gauge. They’re all older now.
I take this as you get it now... Dude, if LSU and OSU played tomorrow and we have fricking Joe Burrow and Chase and Jefferson and CEH - I'm riding LSU 100 times out of 100. I think LSU would win. I don't think it would be a blowout, but I think the boys would get it done. And then guess what - the models would change.
LSU is behind Clemson still because LSU was far behind Clemson going into that game - and it's all because of defense. LSU's defense was very porous that year. The offense was just so frickin good that it (almost) didn't matter.
This post was edited on 7/14/26 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 7/14/26 at 8:06 pm to MilkJug
Really? AI must be hallucinating. 1989 Houston, 9-2, 6-2 SWC, conference second to Arkansas after road losses to Arky and aTm. I won't question any others, but how can 89 SWC second place Houston be rated above 1998 Tennessee, 13-0 national champs, 9-0 SEC champs - among many others?
Posted on 7/14/26 at 8:15 pm to BigScoreboard
Sorry, and I honestly don't mean this to be rude, but '98 Tennessee is one of the least impressive National Champs I've ever seen. They're very similar to '07 LSU.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 8:39 pm to MilkJug
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I've thought about extending my model. Not changing the predictive ability part, because that part is really good, but taking the rating results from it and adding things to it to do more of a "ranking", but it just seems disingenuous. Seems like that would include too much bias input.
It seems like you feel like we’re saying disregard the stats. That’s not it at all. It’s entirely possible to use the statistics given, but formulate the model to give realistic results. The model your presenting is not at all realistic hence the million questions. Literally the first time you saw that result you should have questioned it as well.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 8:41 pm to MilkJug
I am in.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 8:44 pm to MilkJug
98 Tennessee is one of the least impressive National Champs I've ever seen.
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That might be true, and I didn't say it wasn't. All I'm saying is the algorithm gives way too much credit to Houston for blowing out Rice when they lost to the better teams. It should give a whole lot more credit for winning games regardless of score, especially in the P4. There's no way a 9-2 Houston team that didn't win its conference should crack the top 100 teams of a good objective algorithm.
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That might be true, and I didn't say it wasn't. All I'm saying is the algorithm gives way too much credit to Houston for blowing out Rice when they lost to the better teams. It should give a whole lot more credit for winning games regardless of score, especially in the P4. There's no way a 9-2 Houston team that didn't win its conference should crack the top 100 teams of a good objective algorithm.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:05 pm to MilkJug
In all honesty, lets see how your prediction model does this up coming season. 
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:23 pm to MilkJug
2019 LSU's defense had gotten much better at the end of the season though.
I hate to say it but 2013 FSU is probably the most complete team I've seen (I really started watching in 2003 though).
I hate to say it but 2013 FSU is probably the most complete team I've seen (I really started watching in 2003 though).
Posted on 7/14/26 at 9:43 pm to MilkJug
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LSU is behind Clemson still because LSU was far behind Clemson going into that game - and it's all because of defense. LSU's defense was very porous that year. The offense was just so frickin good that it (almost) didn't matter.
I’m not hating on you at all personally but you can admit from the above that: your system is flawed as frick, as is FPI, as are most power rating systems. And that none of the mentioned should have any influence of who people think would win on the field?
We’re 5 pages in. I didn’t comment on your model that had this years Indiana team beating 2019 LSU because I thought it was a fun hypothetical. I don’t think I’ve commented on any of your threads. But Come on man.
I called your formula retarded not you personally as you’ve called me twice.
If you can’t take criticism for the stupid shite your “formula” that your ai website puts out then you’re in the wrong place.
This post was edited on 7/14/26 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:32 pm to MilkJug
my model has
1.1995 Nebraska
2.2019 LSU
3.01 Miami
4.2020 Bama
let's get a vote and see which people think is better
1.1995 Nebraska
2.2019 LSU
3.01 Miami
4.2020 Bama
let's get a vote and see which people think is better
Posted on 7/15/26 at 6:41 am to MilkJug
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Who's first? This is going to require unbiased discussion. Are you people capable of doing that?
Are game results biased? We saw that 2019 LSU is better than 2019 Clemson.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 6:55 am to MilkJug
I’ve read all the replies and your explanations still make zero sense.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 7:41 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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In all honesty, lets see how your prediction model does this up coming season.
It's setup and ready. But I'm not releasing my model until week 5. These models are nowhere near accurate enough until it has a few weeks to work with.
Posted on 7/15/26 at 7:51 am to MilkJug
How did they consider these power rankings?
Not sure 2001 Miami and 2019 LSU are so low......
Not sure 2001 Miami and 2019 LSU are so low......
Posted on 7/15/26 at 8:01 am to Tarpon08
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I called your formula retarded not you personally as you’ve called me twice.
You're right. You didn't call me retarded and I shouldn't get personal. And it's really not personal to me.
There is a "rhyme or reason" to these models. If you go look at the data, in it's entirety, it's make sense. You and I thinking LSU would beat OSU is merely our opinions (and we're also biased). We are absolutely convinced that LSU would beat OSU. But in reality, they could very well lose. To think OSU being a 3 to 4.5 point favorite over that LSU team is absurd or "retarded" is simply not understanding both teams. And you said "I don't mean to be a homer about this" - but that's exactly what you're doing. That OSU team was VERY good. They were beating Clemson and they lapsed on one drive, and it bit them, it was too late. LSU almost fell victim to the same thing against Bama and Auburn. But you also can't apply transitive property to this - just because LSU beat Clemson and Clemson beat OSU, doesn't mean LSU would curb stomp OSU. That's not how that works.
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