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re: Thoughts on the Alliance between Pac, Big and ACC??
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:12 pm to AUCE05
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:12 pm to AUCE05
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They essentially want to keep it a 4 team playoff, make a conference championship requirement to enter playoff, etc. What they will do is speed up the college football primer league, which most of them will be left out from.
Exactly.
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:17 pm to bunkerhill
Look out ACC. These cucks you are getting into bed with would have CANCELLED last season for you. Do you really have all that much in common with the PAC-12? Do you like midnight games? Long trips.
Maybe an alliance with the BIG10 but the PAC-12????
Maybe an alliance with the BIG10 but the PAC-12????
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:19 pm to SneezyBeltran
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Why use an LSU gif?
Because LSU, as a SEC charter member, is our brother-in-arms when it comes to the overall landscape of CFB and the Ed O gif encapsulates how I feel about this supposed alliance being formed.
Why does it bother you that I’m able to use an LSU gif in an OOC discussion? Are you not adult enough to do the same?
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:19 pm to Farmer1906
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am not sure what they can accomplish. Its not like they're going to do a new tv deal. They're not going to stop playing the SEC. What is their goal of the alliance except try to counter the SEC?
They will guarantee each of their conferences 3 playoff spots each year
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:22 pm to AUCE05
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They essentially want to keep it a 4 team playoff, make a conference championship requirement to enter playoff, etc. What they will do is speed up the college football primer league, which most of them will be left out from.
This is what I worry they will do. The ACC would love a conference champion only rule to force Notre Dame to join. However, the SEC at this point could basically say no and back out of the playoff altogether. The playoffs would have zero legitimacy without the SEC.
The SEC is now the only conference in the country that has enough clout that they could form their own independent league and still thrive. The other conferences would mightily struggle to recruit players in a world where they could not schedule SEC teams or play them in a playoff. OSU, Michigan, Penn St, Nebraska, Clemson, FSU, USC, Oregon, etc would all try to join the SEC in this scenario.
So the other 3 leagues can push for conference winners only, but they can't force the SEC to go along. Play their card too hard and they all end up folding with all the power teams joining a new league the SEC creates.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:23 pm to anc
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The only thing that is concerning is the rumor that they want to collectively keep the playoff at 4 AND require a conference championship to get a bid.
They better tread lightly on backing the SEC into a corner. If the SEC ever decided to break away from the other big 4 conferences, and strike their own playoff deal with ESPN (which is another beef the B1G has is they want other networks to bid for the playoffs), this could turn into an NFL/AFL type of deal.
And the SEC would end up making more money with a sole tv deal for their own playoffs, and the money gap will get even bigger since there would be far few teams for the SEC to divide the money between. It's not like a playoff with say Bama, OU, UGA, and TU wouldn't garner just as many, if not more, tv viewers as a playoff with OSU, Clemson, Oregon and USC.
Now I'm not saying the SEC would actually break away, but if the other conference truly intend on screwing the SEC, then if I'm the SEC I would put this option on the table.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:32 pm to bunkerhill
Well like the writer from The Athletic who interviewed Sankey said...this battle is already over, the SEC has already won. There's no combination of conferences or school alignments that compete with the new SEC.
They can either try to fight the SEC, in which they've already lost, or have a seat at the table with the SEC.
They can either try to fight the SEC, in which they've already lost, or have a seat at the table with the SEC.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:46 pm to Bamatab
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They better tread lightly on backing the SEC into a corner. If the SEC ever decided to break away from the other big 4 conferences, and strike their own playoff deal with ESPN (which is another beef the B1G has is they want other networks to bid for the playoffs), this could turn into an NFL/AFL type of deal.
And the SEC would end up making more money with a sole tv deal for their own playoffs, and the money gap will get even bigger since there would be far few teams for the SEC to divide the money between
100% agreed. The 16-team SEC with OU and Texas is so far ahead of the other three top to bottom that it has all the leverage. If the other three "power" conferences overplay their hand, the SEC could simply announce that is breaking away to form its own league while taking its choice of schools from the ACC on the way out (if they wanted any).
In addition to being more profitable because there are fewer teams to slice the pie between, you would also have totally isolated the region of the country where college football is most popular. Hard for me to believe that any other conference or school outside the SEC could compete.
That's part of the problem with this alliance between the ACC, B1G, and PAC-12, there is so much physical space between their blue blood/heavyweight programs compared to the SEC.
Amongst the ACC, B1G, and PAC-12 combined, they have what I would subjectively consider to be nine blue blood/heavyweight football schools spread out across the entire country:
1. Penn State
2. Nebraska
3. Ohio State
4. Michigan
5. Notre Dame*
6. Florida State
7. Clemson
8. USC
9. Oregon
By comparison, the SEC with OU and Texas will have eight in one neat little contiguous region:
1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Florida
4. Georgia
5. LSU
6. Oklahoma
7. Tennessee
8. Texas
By another metric, the SEC with OU and Texas will be home to seven of the top ten most valuable athletic programs in the country.
This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 8/20/21 at 4:47 pm to Bamatab
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this could turn into an NFL/AFL type of deal.
That would be interesting, and honestly might be the most realistic scenario. The Pac 12/Big Ten/ACC alliance has their own league with a playoff and the SEC has its own league with a playoff. Winner of each playoff plays in a college football Super Bowl.
As it currently stands, the "alliance" has roughly the same amount of teams capable of competing at a playoff caliber as the SEC does. It could actually work and would solve a lot of the cultural conflicts in the game. Let the alliance teams do things their way and the SEC teams will do our own thing. The only thing we have to agree on is their champion playing 1 game against our champion.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 5:29 pm to SneezyBeltran
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I’m glad we’re in the SEC and not in some bitch arse conference that needs “alliances” to stay relevant
Why use an LSU gif
You know why
Posted on 8/20/21 at 5:33 pm to ShowMeHorns
This should be fun. It's going to be interesting watching how all these Commissioners plan on feeding all these hungry kids.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 5:34 pm to Old Money
I can see a green glowing light coming out from every game they play.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 6:38 pm to macjonesgoat
Meh...other than Ohio St and Clemson who gives a shite about most of those schools.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 6:56 pm to bcoop199
We need at least some other parts of the country to be into cfb, otherwise it becomes a regional sport. The west coast doesn't care, but the rest of the country does. I know a lot of New England people have started following the SEC to see how their players will hopefully turn out.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 6:57 pm to bunkerhill
No one cares about any of those conferences
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:21 am to macjonesgoat
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We need at least some other parts of the country to be into cfb, otherwise it becomes a regional sport. The west coast doesn't care, but the rest of the country does. I know a lot of New England people have started following the SEC to see how their players will hopefully turn out.
Absolutely! We don't want CF to become too much of a regional sport. I want to see other parts of the country field teams worthy of being top-ten type powers.
The PAC, if they are not careful, is going to slide into irrelevancy. They made a valiant effort to go that way last year.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 11:55 am to bunkerhill
A lot of people guessing, it appears. Part of that may be because the Alliance probably does not know what they are doing yet. It seems that
A) They are very concerned about the money and power that the SEC set into place by taking the only two teams that can really enhance conference from the b12, which was going to become less and less relevant regardless of what OU and texas did.
B) They appear to think their answer is to pit together "big names" such as USC and Nebraska for the purpose of making enviable long-term matchups. That could end up biting them (Old school thinking)
C) PAC and BiG have new and un-proven commissioners which come in with their new and better big ideas. In the mean time, the SEC has marched forward with consistent purpose.
Bottom line, for me, is Sankey has the guys scared and reactive. When people do things from that mode they do stupid things which catchup with them, long term
A) They are very concerned about the money and power that the SEC set into place by taking the only two teams that can really enhance conference from the b12, which was going to become less and less relevant regardless of what OU and texas did.
B) They appear to think their answer is to pit together "big names" such as USC and Nebraska for the purpose of making enviable long-term matchups. That could end up biting them (Old school thinking)
C) PAC and BiG have new and un-proven commissioners which come in with their new and better big ideas. In the mean time, the SEC has marched forward with consistent purpose.
Bottom line, for me, is Sankey has the guys scared and reactive. When people do things from that mode they do stupid things which catchup with them, long term
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:44 pm to bunkerhill
Every high school kid knows the SEC is the NFL portal and the best league. Now imagine being in any of those states and being recruited by a team that refuses to even match up with the SEC. Then the SEC coach knocks on the door,
“Hey son, why don’t you ask coach ____ why they and every other conference is too afraid to schedule us? Son, they may not think you are good enough to play in the SEC, but we do. Sign here.”
“Hey son, why don’t you ask coach ____ why they and every other conference is too afraid to schedule us? Son, they may not think you are good enough to play in the SEC, but we do. Sign here.”
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:53 pm to Bamatab
How’s that whole regionalized thing working out for nascar?
Sport needs to be national.
The biggest problem the other three conferences now see is that the sec negotiated the 12 team expansion of playoffs with the big 12 commissioner and the notre dame AD while simultaneously secretly negotiating to blow up the big 12. Meanwhile If the playoffs change structure before 2026 ESPN has the exclusive rights to purchase the TV rights.
If expansion occurs after 2026 all the media networks can bid on all the levels of the playoffs just like the NFL.
ESPN, in helping to destroy the big 12, a fox sports offering, will get no help from their media competitors in completely owing the sport.
I’m surprised y’all can’t see this.
Sport needs to be national.
The biggest problem the other three conferences now see is that the sec negotiated the 12 team expansion of playoffs with the big 12 commissioner and the notre dame AD while simultaneously secretly negotiating to blow up the big 12. Meanwhile If the playoffs change structure before 2026 ESPN has the exclusive rights to purchase the TV rights.
If expansion occurs after 2026 all the media networks can bid on all the levels of the playoffs just like the NFL.
ESPN, in helping to destroy the big 12, a fox sports offering, will get no help from their media competitors in completely owing the sport.
I’m surprised y’all can’t see this.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:25 pm to bunkerhill
Breaking down the ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 alliance and what comes next (ESPN)
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 1:27 pm
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