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re: This basically sums up UF's problems... It's a horror story...
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:29 pm to gatordmb89
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:29 pm to gatordmb89
ahh. The Auburn defense.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 8:42 pm to Alahunter
The lack of depth is surprising, considering the recruiting numbers they put up. Though not as bad as U10.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 9:52 pm to sodacitynate
What they should have done was hire Houston Nutt instead of Boom, but only to a two year contract. Nutt with that talent would have rocked the world...for 18-24 games, then they would REALLY have to clean house for the next coach.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:15 pm to gatordmb89
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Seriously man, cliffnotes or something.
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Cameron Newton, QB – Transfer

Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:18 pm to wadewilson
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wadewilson

Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:40 pm to Slippery Slope
Thank you. Yes, I'm a fanboy.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:05 pm to gatordmb89
Should have hired Shula as HC. He is an excellent recruiter. The next guy could have won many games with his players.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:21 pm to gatordmb89
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This basically sums up UF's problems... It's a horror story...
Florida’s Troubles Start with Meyer’s Recruiting
Posted on November 13, 2011 by Daniel Thompson
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Urban Meyer
Urban Meyer was a great recruiter; there is no doubting that. In 2005, the Gators had the 15th best recruiting class, 2006 the 2nd, 2007 the 1st, 2008 the 3rd, 2009 the 11th and 2010 the 1st (According to Rivals.com).
However, with the Gators 5-5 this season, many are quick to blame Will Muschamp, Dan Quinn and Charlie Weis for the Gators problems.
I argue, however, that despite great recruiting classes by Urban Meyer, he left the team depleted.
In order to back my claim I need to re-evaluate every player that has been signed from 2007 until now.
2007 (#1) – Graduated or Redshirt Seniors
Ahmad Black, S – Great career at UF. Graduated.
John Brantley, QB – Current starting QB
John Brown, DT – Transfer
Torrey Davis, DT – Transfer
Carlos Dunlap, DE – Great career at UF. NFL.
Lorenzo Edwards, LB – Minimal Impact at UF
Jerimy Finch, LB – Transfer
Joe Haden, DB – Great career at UF. NFL
Chas Henry, P – Great career at UF. NFL.
Aaron Hernandez, TE – Great career at UF. NFL.
Brandon Hicks, LB – Mediocre career at UF. Graduated.
Jerry Howard, DE/DT – Redshirt senior. Starting DT.
Moses Jenkins, DB – Poor career at UF. Redshirt Senior.
John Jones, LB – Transfer.
Duke Lemmons, DE – Good career at UF. Graduated.
Cameron Newton, QB – Transfer
Maurkice Pouncey, OL – Great career at UF. NFL.
Michael Pouncey, OL – Great career at UF. NFL.
Chris Rainey, RB – Starting RB. Redshirt Senior.
Deonte Thompson. WR – Solid starter at UF. Redshirt Senior.
Justin Trattou, DE – Solid career at UF. Graduated.
Bryan Waggener, QB – Transfer
Steve Wilks, DB – Little career at UF. Graduated.
Bo Williams, RB – Transfer
James Wilson, OL – Part-time starter. Redshirt Senior.
Paul Wilson, WR – Little career at UF. Graduated.
Major Wright, S – Great career at UF. NFL.
Review: Urban Meyer’s best class. Seven players made it to the NFL. However, of those who are redshirt seniors: John Brantley has underperformed, James Wilson has underperformed, Deonte Thompson has underperformed and Moses Jenkins has underperformed. Only Chris Rainey and Jay (Jerry) Howard have performed well of those still on UF roster. Three QBs recruited; two transfer.
2008 (#3) Senior or Redshirt Junior
Brendan Beal, LB – Transfer
Jeremy Brown, DB – Part-time starter. Injury prone.
Adrian Bushell, DB – Transfer
Jeffrey Demps, RB – Starter. Great career at UF.
Troy Epps, DT – Little career at UF. Graduated.
Dee Finley, LB – Went to JUCO; enrolled in 2009.
William Green, DE – Starter.
Frankie Hammond, Jr., WR – Part-time starter
Will Hill, S – Left for NFL
Omarius Hines, WR – Part-time starter
Omar Hunter, DT – Part-time starter
Janoris Jenkins, DB – Kicked off team. Transfer.
Byran Jones, DT – Transfer
T.J. Lawrence, WR – Transfer
Lerentee McCray, LB – Part-time starter
Carl Moore, WR – Graduated.
Earl Okine, DE – Little career at UF.
Matt Patchan, OL – Starting Offensive Line.
T.J. Pridemore, LB – Graduated.
Sam Robey, OL – Starting Center.
Caleb Sturgis, K – Starting Kicker
David Young, OL – Little career at UF.
Review: Of this class, only one player left for NFL (Will Hill). Five players have transferred. One player graduated early. Only five players currently are full time starters. Of those that did not transfer, David Young, TJ Pridemore and Troy Epps did not do much in their career at UF. No QBs recruited.
2009 (#11) Junior or Redshirt Sophomore
Nick Alajajian, OL – Little career at UF
Stephen Alli, WR – Little career at UF
Jon Bostic, LB – Starting LB.
Gary Brown, DT – Transfer.
Andre Debose, WR – Part-time starter
Joshua Evans, S – Part-time starter
Dee Finley, S – Transfer.
Mike Gillislee, RB – Part-time starter.
Jon Halapio, OL – Starting Offensive Line
Jonotthan Harrison, OL – Former starting Center
Edwin Herbert, DT – Transfer.
Jelani Jenkins, LB – Starting LB
Kedric Johnson, DE – Little impact at UF
Kyle Koehne, OL – Part-time starter on Offensive Line
Xavier Nixon, OL – Starter on Offensive Line
Desmond Parks, TE – No longer on team
Jordan Reed, QB – Moved to TE. Starter.
Review: Three transfers. Only five full-time starters. Nick Alajajian, Stephen Alli, Andre Debose, Kedric Johnson and Xavier Nixon have underperformed. Edwin Herbert and Desmond Parks did not have any career at UF. Mike Gillislee has struggled with blocking and learning the offense. Jon Bostic and Jelani Jenkins only bright spots. One QB recruited and moved to TE.
2010 (#1) Sophomore or Redshirt Freshman
Gideon Ajagbe, LB – No impact.
Neiron Ball, DE – Non-football injury. No impact.
Mack Brown, RB – No impact.
Trey Burton, QB – Moved to TE. Struggling to find role.
Gerald Christian, TE – Transfer.
Robert Clark, TE – Transfer.
Adrian Coxson, WR – Transfer.
Jonathan Dowling, S – Transfer.
Quinton Dunbar, WR – Minimal Impact.
Chris Dunkley, WR – Transfer.
Dominique Easley, DT – Solid Starter.
Matt Elam, S – Great player.
Sharrif Floyd, DT – Solid starter.
Chaz Green, OL – Former starter.
Jordan Haden, DB – Transfer.
Darrin Kitchens, LB – Minimal impact.
Michael McFarland, TE – Transfer
Tyler Murphy, QB – No impact.
Leon Orr, OL – Minimal impact.
Ronald Powell, DE – Starter with little impact.
Cody Riggs, DB – Starter at times. Decent impact.
Joshua Shaw, S – Starter. Decent.
Ian Silberman, OL – Minimal impact.
Michael Taylor, LB – Minimal impact.
Lynden Trail, DE – No impact.
Jaylen Watkins, DB – Starter with decent impact.
Review: Dubbed the “Best Recruiting Class Ever.” Seven transfers. Six starters. Neiron Ball, Tyler Murphy, Gideon Ajagbe and Lynden Trail have had no career at UF. Ronald Powell and Mack Brown have underperformed. Too early to judge many of these players. One QB recruited and moved to TE/FB.
Final Review: It is quite clear and quite evident that while Meyer’s classes were great on paper, they left much to be desired. Twenty-two (22) players transferred. Nine players had no career or no legitimate playing time at UF. At least seven players have drastically played below their rankings. Six QBs were recruited, only two are currently on the roster as QBs, two are TEs and two transferred, leaving UF with a Redshirt Senior QB, a Redshirt Freshman QB and two Freshmen QBs. The Gators have struggled to recruit talented Wide Receivers. The Gators have struggled to find a “Power Running Back” that can block and knows the playbook. The Gators have struggled mightily recruiting Defensive Ends. The Gators Offensive Line has been considered “small”. The Gators have struggled to recruit and retain blocking Tight Ends. UF currently only has 69 players on their roster (85 is the maximum).
It should be quite clear and quite evident why UF is playing poorly this year. While UF owes Urban Meyer and staff a debt of gratitude, UF really struggled retaining and developing talent, especially for a “Pro-Style” Offense.
The Gators are currently on track for a top-3 recruiting class, but this is not a one-season fix. There are MAJOR holes on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Please be patient with Will Muschamp and staff as they try to build depth AND develop talent.
After I finally finish Tolstoy's "War and Peace" I will read this.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:32 pm to gatordmb89
Dude. Dr. Saturday did a post on yahoo on this at least 2 weeks ago. Old news.
Posted on 11/13/11 at 11:34 pm to gatordmb89
basically, Urban recruited the best guys in every class. These recruits were so good and so highly touted coming out of high school that the ones who rode the pine decided to transfer, the ones who stuck around became allstars and went on to the NFL (most of which left early), and the others were major head cases who couldn't cut it academically, got arrested, or simply got kicked off the team.
Kinda hard for Urban to prevent all of that from happening. Only thing he could've done differently was to not recruit some of the troublemakers who ended up getting arrested/kicked off the team, but then we'd have not as talented classes/teams, probably less championships, and even less scholarship players. It's hard to tell from only a couple brief visits who will be a bad seed. Muschamp has to simply rebuild and win.....he knows this.
Kinda hard for Urban to prevent all of that from happening. Only thing he could've done differently was to not recruit some of the troublemakers who ended up getting arrested/kicked off the team, but then we'd have not as talented classes/teams, probably less championships, and even less scholarship players. It's hard to tell from only a couple brief visits who will be a bad seed. Muschamp has to simply rebuild and win.....he knows this.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 6:51 am to cyde
We will be fine in a couple of years.
The thing is our defense is solid, and very young, so maybe with some depth next year, it will be elite. Our QBs should be much better next year. With a couple of difference making skill players, we could go a long way.
The only real problem I see is OL. Those players take time to grow/develop, and we have very little to work with.
The thing is our defense is solid, and very young, so maybe with some depth next year, it will be elite. Our QBs should be much better next year. With a couple of difference making skill players, we could go a long way.
The only real problem I see is OL. Those players take time to grow/develop, and we have very little to work with.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 7:00 am to gatordmb89
I disagree with the premise. I think the story is actually much more simple. It is a combination of the step down from the QB of a generation and a lack of differentiation among your skill players.
You have depth, the problem is they all do the same thing, essentially. Florida has 300,000 tweener, burner, maybe HBs maybe WRs or maybe FB maybe TEs.
What is the difference between a Trey Burton and a Jordan Reed?
What is the difference between Rainey, Demps, Gillislee, Himes, Hammond, and Dubose?
I would say that they all really bring the same thing to the table. When you run a spread it is nice to have interchangeable parts. With a pro set, you want guys that can do a little different things. You want bangers and burners. I think the talent level just needs to even out among different skill sets, but maybe that's just me.
You have depth, the problem is they all do the same thing, essentially. Florida has 300,000 tweener, burner, maybe HBs maybe WRs or maybe FB maybe TEs.
What is the difference between a Trey Burton and a Jordan Reed?
What is the difference between Rainey, Demps, Gillislee, Himes, Hammond, and Dubose?
I would say that they all really bring the same thing to the table. When you run a spread it is nice to have interchangeable parts. With a pro set, you want guys that can do a little different things. You want bangers and burners. I think the talent level just needs to even out among different skill sets, but maybe that's just me.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 7:11 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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basically, Urban recruited the best guys in every class. These recruits were so good and so highly touted coming out of high school that the ones who rode the pine decided to transfer
quote:Hasn't happened at LSU or Bama, 2 other teams that recruit very well.
Kinda hard for Urban to prevent all of that from happening
I think it has more to do with finding players that fit the current scheme instead of the spread.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 7:56 am to gatordmb89
Can't necessarily blame Meyer for going after the best, but I agree, it's tough seeing all the attrition and lack of depth right now.
I know our 2012 class is pretty solid, but I just hope to god some can make a contribution or two
I know our 2012 class is pretty solid, but I just hope to god some can make a contribution or two

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Posted on 11/14/11 at 8:10 am to GeauxTigersLee
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I think it has more to do with finding players that fit the current scheme instead of the spread.
This is a huge problem. The personnel to run the pro-style is just not there. We couldn't any version of the spread with Brantley being injured and slow anyway. We are so severely limited as to what we can do it's sad. Seeing Brantley out there not being able to move is just frustrating too.
It's time to put Driskel and Brissett in there for Furman and much of the FSU game.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 8:32 am to gatordmb89
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While UF owes Urban Meyer and staff a debt of gratitude, UF really struggled retaining and developing talent, especially for a “Pro-Style” Offense.
No shite. He ran a spread. If the offense went with a spread instead of trying to jam a square Chris Rainey into a round iso run, or at least incorporated much more spread elements, Florida would be better. You're not going to have a power back right after a spread coach leaves. This staff has the same situation ahead of them as Rich Rod did at Michigan, only in reverse and with a better recruiting base.
Posted on 11/14/11 at 8:38 am to roadGator
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The personnel to run the pro-style is just not there
This is the problem not the recruiting.
Of course 5 stars are going to transfer when they step on campus and don't play the first couple of years. Also these kids signed on to play in Meyer's spread, not fat boys pro style.
Florida will be fine in 2 years once the personnel to run a pro offense if there. One thing that can be said about the fat man is that he knows offense
Posted on 11/14/11 at 9:14 am to schlow mo
Meyers game planned around Tebow and noone else. Tebow left Meyers heart got broke and he quit as soon as he realized how bad of job he did recruiting. He recruited a team that couldn't win without a tebow on it.
What WR would want to play for team were the QB would rather run than throw it. What RB would want to play for a team where the QB would rather run it than hand it off.
What WR would want to play for team were the QB would rather run than throw it. What RB would want to play for a team where the QB would rather run it than hand it off.

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