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The whole "pods" format...

That hasn't been confirmed, right? I heard some talking as if it was a forgone conclusion, I certainly hope not.


3down10
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No, it doesn't work so it won't happen.

It's impossible to put teams in pods while maintaining all the rivalries. You have to add an additional permanent rival cross pod game, and if you have to do that - what the frick is the point of the pods to start with?

Might as well just give each team 3 permanent games(rival games), and rotate the rest.

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WG_Dawg
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as if it was a forgone conclusion, I certainly hope not.


do you really think a retarded setup of 8-team divisions is better?


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BHMKyle
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Might as well just give each team 3 permanent games(rival games), and rotate the rest.


Yes, this would be most ideal. However I think it would require seeking a waiver from the NCAA to still have an SEC Championship Game. Right now, in order to play a conference title game, the NCAA requires all teams in a conference to play each other or there has to be equal divisions in which all teams play each other from within the division.


theenemy
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It's impossible to put teams in pods while maintaining all the rivalries. You have to add an additional permanent rival cross pod game, and if you have to do that - what the frick is the point of the pods to start with?


You don't have to play every "rivalry" game yearly...to maintain its "rivalry".

The only ones that really need to be protected are the primary ones...

Bama/Aub
Ole Miss/Ms St
Texas/OK
GA/FL
Bama/Tenn (maybe....it has lost a lot of notoriety lately though)

Which is doable in the pods.
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twk
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The only ones that really need to be protected are the primary ones...

Bama/Aub
Ole Miss/Ms St
Texas/OK
GA/FL
Bama/Tenn (maybe....it has lost a lot of notoriety lately though)

Which is doable in the pods.
There are four historic rivalries that drive the scheduling process:

Bama/Auburn
Bama/UT
Auburn/UGA
UGA/UF

These are not the only games that have to be played, but they are the ones that cause the problems because these four games involve five teams, meaning you can't solve this by simply breaking into four teams pods, and have to use a Frankenstein version of pods where every team has a permanent opponent in each of the other 3 pods (which someone negates one of the key aspects of the pod system, which is quicker rotation through the conference).

A no divisions, no pods 9 game schedule where each team has 3 permanent opponents is the best answer, and I think that's what we'll end up doing.

The one thing that I'm willing to be on is that the SEC will not simply adjust the East and West divisions and stick with divisional play.


3down10
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Yes, this would be most ideal. However I think it would require seeking a waiver from the NCAA to still have an SEC Championship Game. Right now, in order to play a conference title game, the NCAA requires all teams in a conference to play each other or there has to be equal divisions in which all teams play each other from within the division.


A few years ago this would have been true, but they changed the rules so that the Big12 could have a championship game already, so I think it would be fine.

Even if that wasn't the case, I doubt the NCAA would press back on it.


BHMKyle
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You don't have to play every "rivalry" game yearly...to maintain its "rivalry".


If its an important enough rivalry, yes you absolutely do. Just ask Auburn and Florida fans what has changed about their now occasional "rivalry".... its basically not even a rivalry anymore.

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Bama/Aub
Ole Miss/Ms St
Texas/OK
GA/FL
Bama/Tenn (maybe....it has lost a lot of notoriety lately though)

Which is doable in the pods.



You left out the longest-running rivalry in all of Southern football. And that is the main problem. You can't protect Alabama-Auburn, Georgia-Florida, Georgia-Auburn, and Alabama-Tennessee by sticking all of those teams in a pod.


theenemy
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9 game conference schedule.

Play all 3 teams in your pod + 2 teams from each other pod.

Rotate your cross pod games every other year allowing every team in the SEC to have a home and home with every SEC team in a 4 year span.

Primary rivalries will be grouped together in pods to maintain yearly play.

Lesser rivalries will be maintained (like Battle for the Boot) but will only be played twice every 4 years)

They could rotate cross pods every year so your secondary rivalries are played every other year.


BHMKyle
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A few years ago this would have been true, but they changed the rules so that the Big12 could have a championship game already, so I think it would be fine.


The Big 12 plays a conference schedule in which all teams play each other, so no waiver is needed.

Different situation when you have 14 teams.

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Even if that wasn't the case, I doubt the NCAA would press back on it.


It's not been tried yet. But it would be the best option without a doubt.


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3down10
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9 game conference schedule.


Why do people keep saying this?

You don't show your conference strength by playing more conference games, you show it by beating OOC teams.

8 games is plenty. Adding more conference games will just make the conference appear weaker. Other conferences are dumb for going to 9 game conference schedules. Why should the SEC make that same mistake?

We need more P5 OOC games, not more in conference games.


3down10
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The Big 12 plays a conference schedule in which all teams play each other, so no waiver is needed.

Different situation when you have 14 teams.



Nah, they changed the rule specifically for the Big12. I remember it.

The previous rule was you had to have divisions. That is why the SEC expanded and created the divisions back in 92.

And having one for the Big12 is kind of dumb overall. They play round robin, so it's always a rematch.

Rule change allows Big 12 title game but conference undecided

But I did just find a thing that says it only applies for under 12 members, so maybe it won't count.
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memphis tiger
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It's impossible to put teams in pods while maintaining all the rivalries


At some point the SEC needs to let go of some of these rivalries


theenemy
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You left out the longest-running rivalry in all of Southern football. And that is the main problem. You can't protect Alabama-Auburn, Georgia-Florida, Georgia-Auburn, and Alabama-Tennessee by sticking all of those teams in a pod.


As a fan of one of those teams, I think you are weighing that game as a rivalry much more than it really is from an outside perspective.

Do fans outside of Aub/GA, see this game as a annual must have game?

I don't think so.


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BHMKyle
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At some point the SEC needs to let go of some of these rivalries


Like which ones? What makes the SEC special is our tradition, and losing rivalries is a good way to kill tradition.


BLG
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we have no idea how it's going to be


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theenemy
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Why do people keep saying this?


Because it balances the schedule to allow a home and home with every team in a 4 year span.


NATidefan
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All I know is that no matter what they come up with, people will bitch and say Bama has an unfair advantage.
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theenemy
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Like which ones


Aub/GA
Bama/Tenn
Aub/FL
One or two of Ark trophy games
Etc...

They're still great games but they don't need to be protected. They are still going to occur on a routine basis.
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3down10
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Because it balances the schedule to allow a home and home with every team in a 4 year span.


If you do 3 permanent teams, that leaves 5 rotated games per year left for 12 teams. So you need 24 games total to rotate them all for home and home.

Easily make the 4 years if it's 2 permanent rival games. But I seem to remember there being a reason why the 3rd was needed. Alabama only needs 2.

I don't see how 4 team pods with a permanent rival game accomplishes this. You are only rotating 4 games even on a 9 game schedule among 10 teams. 5 years by my count.
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