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re: The Oklahoma Theory
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:00 pm to bamabaseballsec
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:00 pm to bamabaseballsec
Big XII has done well at scheduling P5 opponents in OOC. Oklahoma has a great history of doing so.
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Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:00 pm to BigBro
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Oklahoma is about to become the new Nebraska, they aren’t really a good test case for anything.
Oh how I wish this were true..
but you will have to find out the hard way
Yeah, they don't understand OU at all. Those bastids never go away...
The only reason Nebraska was ever relevant was due to certain circumstances that don't exist anymore like being the first football program in history to hire an actual strength and conditioning coach and being able to recruit partial qualifiers on Ag scholarships to play football.
OU is relevant because they will do whatever it takes and pay whatever it takes to be relevant and continue to be relevant. They aligned with their most hated rival UT to send their other hated rival Nebraska back to the stone age even though the OU/ Nebraska game every Thanksgiving was a huge prime time event for them. They aligned with UT to find the best landing spot for both schools in conference re-alignment..They are serious about college football, it's like what they live for in that state.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 1:34 am
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:34 pm to BigBro
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I just don’t see USC the same as Nebraska, Penn State or Michigan State.
Correct, the other 3 could recruit working class base easily. Southern Cal does have advantages but not the same hard luck kids. Midwest and South still have big time high school football schools and fans to feed from. Cali kids never seem to have the same passion.
Nebraska could go 5 deep in farmer boy walk-ons who dreamed of Big Red (UK basketball had similar through Rupp and at least Hall) and filled in with East Coast recruiting. Seems Big 8 Nebraska fed at the NJ high school trough. With Rutgers in the B1G, those kids will go to tOSU and UM first from now on.
Michigan State (as IND) was passing UM coming out of WW II so B1G added them and flipped the script from that point forward. To this day many think Notre Dame will wind up in the B1G but if you have your ear to the ground you will see in the B1G they would be the 3rd B1G school in IN, and death spiral from there to feed the Big 2. Same with the Big 4 Catholic high school pool (Indy, Cincy, Lou, and Lex). Irish can recruit them as #1 but in the B1G they will fall below tOSU in the B1G and the ACC and SEC schools.
Best move for Penn State would be ACC with Pitt. Like MSU, they lost the state to tOSU and UM, and odds are good they will never return. At least Pitt in the ACC can have a breakout season and surface in the ACC, even if it can not be sustained.
While folks see Trojan football under Pete Carroll they miss the whole picture of sports at USC. If you have to cheat at women's soccer you are best viewed at the poster child of "loss of institutional control". PCC crashed for cheating and USC in the Carroll era proved they were not in any hurry to sweep the school clean. If the B1G voted Nebraska out of the AAU, what is to stop them from turning in USC if tOSU and UM feel they are losing control.
Glass is a slow moving liquid, so is college realignment. What most folks see happening in a few years may have actually taken 50 to 100 years to get there.
Just an observation
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Posted on 9/19/23 at 2:08 am to Dratini
Deep down you wanted a solid answer to the question that scares you to validate your belief LSU is superior.
Here:
LSU hasn’t lost to Oklahoma since 1950. And it’ll still be a rarity for the next 74 years.
Here:
LSU hasn’t lost to Oklahoma since 1950. And it’ll still be a rarity for the next 74 years.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 2:55 am to Dratini
I think Oklahoma fits better than Texas in the SEC. I believe OU will do what it takes to compete and UT will try to complain and bitch their way to contention.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 6:38 am to iPleadDaFif
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LSU hasn’t lost to Oklahoma since 1950. And it’ll still be a rarity for the next 74 years.
Saying this shite like people don't know this means 2-0
Posted on 9/19/23 at 6:55 am to Dratini
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Doesn't compute. A&M fans think beating the shite out of Monroe means they're back in the hunt for some reason.
Show us in his reply where he made any claim about A&M this year.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:04 am to AZHorn
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AZHorn
Very well said. For better or worse, this state demands that OU be competitive in football. OU’s downturn in the 90’s had an effect on the state that’s hard to put into words.
And I fully agree with the OP, I make no excuse for the playoff losses.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 7:05 am to Dratini
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The SEC, despite looking bad this year, is still top to bottom the deepest conference in terms of talent. That didn't just change.
You just said it in the first part of your comment. The conference looks bad this year because it is a down year for the conference. The SEC will usually be the top dog, but there will be down years. Conference QB play is too bad right now.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 8:22 am to Dratini
Any OU fan with any sense knows this is EXACTLY why OU is joining the SEC, they understand two things:
1. they need tempering, they have had great teams, teams that could have won with the talent they had, but were soft.
2. They also know that teams in the SEC get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to ranking and the committee.
All of the short sighted SEC fans saying "OU (and Texass) don't understand what they are coming to", don't seem to understand that they DO, that is why they are coming.
1. they need tempering, they have had great teams, teams that could have won with the talent they had, but were soft.
2. They also know that teams in the SEC get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to ranking and the committee.
All of the short sighted SEC fans saying "OU (and Texass) don't understand what they are coming to", don't seem to understand that they DO, that is why they are coming.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:42 am to BigBro
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don’t have to move the goalpost
And yet you did, you had to go to your games in the distant past to attempt to prove that you are not Oklahoma’s bitch
Posted on 9/19/23 at 9:51 am to AZHorn
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The only reason Nebraska was ever relevant was due to certain circumstances that don't exist anymore like being the first football program in history to hire an actual strength and conditioning coach and being able to recruit partial qualifiers on Ag scholarships to play football.
I don't know . . Nebraska was one of the best programs in the country for going on 40 years starting with Bob Devaney and through the middle of Frank Solich's tenure. The program produced three Heisman winners in that stretch as well as a ton of college football hall of famers and high NFL draft picks.
I always found the roid-raging bench of farm boys angle to be a little silly
Posted on 9/19/23 at 10:03 am to Aggie in TN
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A&M also destroyed a talented OU team in the Cotton Bowl in 2012.
Final score 41-17.
The Big12 in no way prepares you for the physicality of the SEC. In the Big12 you play one decent team a year. Maybe two.
As Big Bro pointed out. This goes against your own theory. Texas A&M rolled into the SEC with a bunch of Big XII players. Why weren't they worn down by the SEC schedule? And as he also mentioned. Missouri came into the SEC and had good results early.
Why couldn't OU do the same thing.
Simple answer. They can.
And as long as they don't fire a winning coach solely because he isn't wining the SEC every year (like Nebraska)... they will remain towards the top of the league.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 10:28 am to Dratini
LSU (and Bama) smoked Oklahoma because Oklahoma has been a one-dimensional team for years, not because of their BIG XII schedule. That's a simpleton's argument you made to thump your chest about your conference.
Clemson wasn't playing a world beater schedule and they've had success because they sent complete teams to the playoffs.
Clemson wasn't playing a world beater schedule and they've had success because they sent complete teams to the playoffs.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 10:42 am to Aggie in TN
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The Big12 in no way prepares you for the physicality of the SEC. In the Big12 you play one decent team a year. Maybe two.
And I’m not saying that OU won’t field decent teams or win games. What I am saying is that a 8 or 9 game SEC schedule is going to wear them down by mid year.
This is the same old retarded argument we hear over and over expecting us to pretend not to remember how mediocre aggot and mediocre Mizzou fared wither rosters full of BIG XII athletes when they joined the league. Neither team exhibited signs of being "worn down by mid-year" and they still don't. I watch SEC games and I don't see any teams "worn down by mid-year" anywhere.
I see teams that get into more competitive battles on the back-end of their schedule where the tougher division opponents reside, just like every other conference, clown.
This post was edited on 9/19/23 at 11:45 am
Posted on 9/19/23 at 11:09 am to Boomer00
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Other than 2019 lsu OU has stacked up well with every sec team they have faced.
What about 2003?
Posted on 9/19/23 at 12:34 pm to off_season
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UF should have played Texas that year. Stoops simply boat raced everyone after Texas smoked him. The problem was that everyone meant a bunch of nobodies. He was leaving starters in 4 quarters to get those extra scores
OU 4th Quarter scoring in 2008
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7 (UT “smoked OU 45-35)
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3
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24 (gave up 15 in 44-41 game with 10 minutes to play)
21 (1 TD with 14:40 to play and 1 TD on 38 yard run by back up RB)
If you want to claim Stoops tan it up in the Big 12 Championship game, I suppose you can, but it’s certainly debatable. Claiming OU ran it up any other game is idiotic recitation of fools that don’t know what they’re talking about. On a side note, UT scored more 4th quarter points in 2008 than OU did.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 12:35 pm to Dratini
Op is right.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 1:01 pm to ColoradoElkHerd
Just gonna leave this here..
Texas A&M 2012-2022
(not including Covid)
32-1 vs Non-Power 5
9-1 vs Arkansas
9-1 vs South Carolina, Vanderbilt
2-8 vs Alabama
2-8 vs LSU
27-28 vs All Other P5 Teams
They beat up on the weak teams..
They lose to the strong teams..
They’re around .500 vs everyone else.
How is that any different than when they were in the Big 12?
It looks identical to me.
The perception is 100% that they are SEC and really good.. but the math just doesn’t add up for me.
Yes, I know, Texas sucks. But go ahead and get it off your chest.. then explain why it’s different..
Texas A&M 2012-2022
(not including Covid)
32-1 vs Non-Power 5
9-1 vs Arkansas
9-1 vs South Carolina, Vanderbilt
2-8 vs Alabama
2-8 vs LSU
27-28 vs All Other P5 Teams
They beat up on the weak teams..
They lose to the strong teams..
They’re around .500 vs everyone else.
How is that any different than when they were in the Big 12?
It looks identical to me.
The perception is 100% that they are SEC and really good.. but the math just doesn’t add up for me.
Yes, I know, Texas sucks. But go ahead and get it off your chest.. then explain why it’s different..
Posted on 9/19/23 at 1:37 pm to Dratini
Yeah this is the classic present day scenario but seems like the football gods favor the battle tested team except for injuries.
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