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The biggest difference in Alabama 2011-2020 and Alabama 2021-2022 is not being able to
Posted on 6/2/23 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 12:50 pm
dominate as many of the opponents on the schedule, especially opponents who are not very good.
2011-2020 Alabama had close wins with three teams that finished unranked in the final poll. (2014 Arkansas and LSU, 2016 Ole Miss)
2021-2022- Alabama lost or had close wins with 5 teams that finished unranked in the final poll. (2021: A&M L, UF W, LSU W; 2022: Ole Miss- W, A&M- W)
From 2011-2020 (ten seasons) Alabama had 23 games that were losses or close wins. Twelve of the 23 games were vs. top five teams at the time of the game. Nineteen of the 23 were vs. top 15 ranked teams at the time of the game.
From 2021-2022 they have had 10 such games. Only 1 was versus a top 5 opponent at the time of the game (UGA 2021 NCG) and only 5 of the 10 were against top 15 opponents at the time of the game.
The last two years has been similar to LSU under Miles and Georgia under Richt IMO. But Bama has better players so that's helped to avoid the amount losses those two coaches would have taken. But the team just doesn't get up and assert its will the way it used to. That's why this is different than those other years when Bama was coming off a one or two year time period without a national title.
Can they win a title? Absolutely. Still one of the handful of teams that has a roster that can do it. But there's more to fix here than just replacing players lost to the draft. And that's different.
2011-2020 Alabama had close wins with three teams that finished unranked in the final poll. (2014 Arkansas and LSU, 2016 Ole Miss)
2021-2022- Alabama lost or had close wins with 5 teams that finished unranked in the final poll. (2021: A&M L, UF W, LSU W; 2022: Ole Miss- W, A&M- W)
From 2011-2020 (ten seasons) Alabama had 23 games that were losses or close wins. Twelve of the 23 games were vs. top five teams at the time of the game. Nineteen of the 23 were vs. top 15 ranked teams at the time of the game.
From 2021-2022 they have had 10 such games. Only 1 was versus a top 5 opponent at the time of the game (UGA 2021 NCG) and only 5 of the 10 were against top 15 opponents at the time of the game.
The last two years has been similar to LSU under Miles and Georgia under Richt IMO. But Bama has better players so that's helped to avoid the amount losses those two coaches would have taken. But the team just doesn't get up and assert its will the way it used to. That's why this is different than those other years when Bama was coming off a one or two year time period without a national title.
Can they win a title? Absolutely. Still one of the handful of teams that has a roster that can do it. But there's more to fix here than just replacing players lost to the draft. And that's different.
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Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:06 pm to koreandawg
I really think you guys think more about Bama than Bama fans think about Bama. It's strange. I just want to understand your thought process though. Are you working today and just stopped and thought "Hey I think I'm going to analyze Bama football wins/losses/close games over the last 12 years and post an entire topic on the SEC rant"? Or have you done the homework over the last week and just saved it for a Friday afternoon because you're bored?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:15 pm to cdur86
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I really think you guys think more about Bama than Bama fans think about Bama. It's strange. I just want to understand your thought process though. Are you working today and just stopped and thought "Hey I think I'm going to analyze Bama football wins/losses/close games over the last 12 years and post an entire topic on the SEC rant"? Or have you done the homework over the last week and just saved it for a Friday afternoon because you're bored?
It's wild to me how pissed some people get because you dared to talk about their SEC team on an SEC message board.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:18 pm to cdur86
dominate as many of the opponents on the schedule, especially opponents who are not very good.
Whats your excuse for UGA being on the ropes with less than 5 mins left to play vs a team that only won 3 SEC games in 2022 ?
Whats your excuse for UGA being on the ropes with less than 5 mins left to play vs a team that only won 3 SEC games in 2022 ?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:20 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It's wild to me how pissed some people get because you dared to talk about their SEC team on an SEC message board.
I'm not pissed, I just find it fascinating. I would never analyze another team that wasn't my own like that
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:22 pm to skipjackbama
We were sleepwalking and playing bad...how's that for truth?
Now, what's your excuse for Bama losing to 2 teams that UGA mopped the floor with? Especially a 4 loss LSU team when you completely out-talented them with a Heisman trophy winning QB, All-American RB and multiple NFL draft picks on your D?
Now, what's your excuse for Bama losing to 2 teams that UGA mopped the floor with? Especially a 4 loss LSU team when you completely out-talented them with a Heisman trophy winning QB, All-American RB and multiple NFL draft picks on your D?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:28 pm to koreandawg
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Can they win a title? Absolutely. Still one of the handful of teams that has a roster that can do it. But there's more to fix here than just replacing players lost to the draft.
How about if we change both coordinators? You know this stuff is actually on the internet.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:34 pm to cdur86
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I would never analyze another team that wasn't my own like that
Also you:
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I know my fellow bama brethren well and if you're like me you are just sitting back watching the trash talk patiently and just waiting for them (rival fans) to mess up and then unleash holy hell on them. Can you imagine how many threads have been bookmarked and how many response threads there will be?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:39 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Also you:
Please tell me how those two relate
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:42 pm to cdur86
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Please tell me how those two relate
Think about it awhile, maybe you will figure it out eventually.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:47 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Think about it awhile, maybe you will figure it out eventually.
How does bookmarking posts compare to breaking down another team's stats? Where is the analysis on that?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:53 pm to koreandawg
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Can they win a title? Absolutely. Still one of the handful of teams that has a roster that can do it. But there's more to fix here than just replacing players lost to the draft. And that's different.
some bama fans will admit it, many others won't, but losing kirby/cochran did far more damage to their program than I think they want to come to grips with. Their defenses, their defensive recruiting, and their overall attitude as a program has not been the same the last 5 years as it was the first 10.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:55 pm to Darindawg
The decline (although small) is real. They know it.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:57 pm to WG_Dawg
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Their defenses, their defensive recruiting, and their overall attitude as a program has not been the same the last 5 years as it was the first 10
You're right, but who was the defensive coordinator for Bama from 2018-2022? That would be Pete Golding. Kirby left in 2015 and then Pruitt was right after him. Our defense was fine in 2015-2017. So it looks like we got rid of our "problem". My main issue with our program over the last 5 or so years has been our player's stupidity with 15 yard penalties time and time again. I feel like our players have gotten dumber
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:57 pm to koreandawg
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The biggest difference in Alabama 2011-2020 and Alabama 2021-2022
It's line of scrimmage play.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 2:15 pm to skipjackbama
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Whats your excuse for UGA being on the ropes with less than 5 mins left to play vs a team that only won 3 SEC games in 2022 ?
Their kicker, who choked away the game against auburn the week before, had the game of a lifetime.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 2:21 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It's wild to me how pissed some people get because you dared to talk about their SEC team on an SEC message board.
It’s not that you talk incessantly about Alabama and A&M, it’s MetryMan’s alter MulkeyMan and your full blown inferiority complex and obsession with them.
Sad.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 2:56 pm to skipjackbama
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dominate as many of the opponents on the schedule, especially opponents who are not very good.
Alabama had 5 struggle games last season. 2 to unranked teams (Ole Miss and Texas A&M) 1 to a team with 5 losses and ended barely ranked #25 (Texas) and lost to LSU and Tennessee.
quote:You want to compare that to Georgia having a struggle game to Missouri?
Whats your excuse for UGA being on the ropes with less than 5 mins left to play vs a team that only won 3 SEC games in 2022 ?
I mean, whether you like his thread or not, at least make an argument that is legitimate. Yes. We had a struggle game against a weaker opponent. Alabama fans thought y'all deserved to make the playoffs after 5 struggle games with three of those games against unranked or nearly unranked teams.
I think maybe you should think about what he said and ask if it has merit. (It does)
1 or two games is understandable. Even the best teams Alabama has had has had a struggle game or two. You just can't get up for every single game. (Or it's hard to) But his point is that it is highly unusual for Alabama to struggle that many times in a year.....and it is. It's a backward compliment in a lot of ways.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:04 pm to cdur86
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You're right, but who was the defensive coordinator for Bama from 2018-2022? That would be Pete Golding. Kirby left in 2015 and then Pruitt was right after him. Our defense was fine in 2015-2017. So it looks like we got rid of our "problem".
Maybe. Maybe not.
You can blame Golding was co-coordinator or DC since 2018. He was promoted to DC in 2019. Saban not firing him sooner (if he was as bad as many Tide fans claim) speaks volumes.
Saban is not usually shy about telling coordinators to look elsewhere.
Just a personal opinion is that the change in your defense came with the change in your offensive philosophy. More throwing the ball and less pound and ground. (I have to admit that I don't know how much your TOP changed over the last several years since the change)
Rumor is that Alabama is going back to the ground and pound method of running the ball and wearing down the defenses giving your own defense time on the sideline to rest and come back in fresh. If you do it might take a year or two to get your LOS back up to the brawl fighting in the trenches style needed. Can it be done before Saban retires? maybe.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:15 pm to cdur86
Passive aggressive melts are pretty tasty.
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