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The "Big Six"

Posted on 10/18/11 at 2:38 am
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 2:38 am
Quite a bit of the conference expansion talk here has related to how the SEC would settle permanent opponents were the conference to expand to 14 teams. One of the arguments I've seen related to this is that the "Big Six" -- LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee -- should be compelled to play one another as permanent opponents in fairness to the rest of the league and particularly to one another in their race to the division title.

My question... why is this particular group the Big Six?

LSU and Florida have won two national titles in the past decade each, and additionally each won its respective division during that run, losing the SECCG in the process. They've earned their spot.

Alabama and Auburn also clearly deserve their spot. Each has a national title, multiple BCS bowl wins and plenty of recent success -- they're clearly among the SEC's and the nation's best.

It's the last two which I question. Georgia seems to be rather inconsistent of late; 2006 was awful, 2007 and 2008 were wonderful, 2009 and 2010 were forgettable. They're starting to get on a roll here in 2011 and are poised for big things in the next couple of years if they can keep it going, so there's no doubt that they have the ability to be one of the Big Six. If they achieve and maintain the success they appear to be on the cusp of achieving, then they've certainly earned a spot as well, but I feel like their recent inconsistency has taken them a step back.

And Tennessee... 42-34 since 2005. That's an average record per year of about 7-5. One divisional title to show for it, no BCS games in that stretch and no end to their woes in sight. Does Tennessee really merit being considered on the same level as the other five? Arkansas is 45-31 in that stretch, has a divisional title and a BCS appearance to show for it and is on the rise in the conference; why not consider Arkansas in that group?
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 2:48 am
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 2:43 am to
quote:

Arkansas is 45-31 in that stretch, has a divisional title and a BCS win to show for it and is on the rise in the conference; why not consider Arkansas in that group?

Maybe it's because I haven't slept in a while, but when did this happen?
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 2:43 am to
It's based on historical success. Each of these programs will have their down years but they won't remain down for long.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 2:45 am to
Oh yeah, forgot the stupid pigs lost to Ohio State.

Amended...

@weagle: I understand it's built on historical success and that programs sometimes have down years. I still count Georgia in the elite of the SEC (with some skepticism, but still count them) because it seems like their recent struggles are just part of the typical ebb and flow of football. But Tennessee isn't just down... they've been down for years now and if their young players (who, admittedly, are pretty highly praised) don't pan out, there's really no end in sight for their struggles.
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 2:48 am
Posted by tatervol
Lexington, TN
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:01 am to
1998 wasnt that long ago if you are looking big picture of who the "big six" is. by your standards it could chnge yearly. Tennessee will be back sooner rather than later.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 3:13 am to
Tennesee will be back. Fulmer and Kiffin put them in worse shape than Tuberville put us. If it wasn't for Fulmer putting them in such bad shape, I don't think we would have fired Tubberville so soon. We benefited from Tennesee's mistake.
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 5:28 am to
The Big Six are all in the top 13 as far as winningest programs ever...theres your justification.
Posted by Gumpalicious
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 7:24 am to
Excellent answer.
Posted by Crow Pie
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 7:29 am to
Find the team/s with a better bowl record than uGu this century....

Hint - UgA is 11-3 in the BCC era
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 7:35 am
Posted by TennVOLS423
Sarasota
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:06 am to
How long was Bama "down"?

Tennessee will bounce back.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:07 am to
Recognized NC would be one indication.(source College Football Data Warehouse) LINK
Again, the west dominates in that category in teams that have won a NC.

1) Alabama (12)- (1 BCS)
2) LSU (4)(2 BCS)
2) UT (4) (1 BCS)
4) Auburn (3)(1 BCS)
4) Florida (3)(2 BCS)
5) UGA (2)
5) Ole Miss (2)
5) TAMU (2)
9) Arkie (1)
This post was edited on 10/18/11 at 8:10 am
Posted by 12
Redneck part of Florida
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:08 am to
The big time programs usually bounce back. UT and UGA to some extent are in down periods. History has proven that they will be relevant again. See OU, Bama, USC...
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:09 am to
quote:


My question... why is this particular group the Big Six?


Because no SEC school outside that group has won the SEC since integration.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:10 am to
quote:

How long was Bama "down"?

Tennessee will bounce back.


Bama has a lot of in state talent though. Tennessee, not so much.
Posted by MachineTiger
Florida
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:13 am to
What happened to LSU(2 BCS) as well. 2003 and 2007! AND 2011???? We'll have to see I guess. Geaux Tigers!
Posted by Mahootney
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Member since Sep 2008
11875 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:26 am to
quote:

Find the team/s with a better bowl record than uGu this century....

Hint - UgA is 11-3 in the BCC era
No team has a better record than Uga since 1996. LSU is tied with them with an 11-3 record, but they aren't better.... at least until after this year. 2011 MNC.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32681 posts
Posted on 10/18/11 at 8:30 am to
I agree. Tennessee should be worried IMO. Georgia, not so much.
Posted by TheFolker
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/18/11 at 9:39 am to
quote:

Because no SEC school outside that group has won the SEC since integration.


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