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re: The actual text of the text message
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:45 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:45 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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It is possible that he read the text, law enforcement knows he read the text, and he still hasn't been charged. If they know he read the text and he hasn't been charged, this is a massive miscarriage of justice.
Not necessarily, first there is the ambiguity between if the text was opened (easily confirmed by cyber forensics) and if he actually read it (almost impossible to confirm, did he just swipe up to make the alert go away with out actually looking at the text for example).
But second, Miller could have both opened and read the text and the DA would still be understandable in not charging. This has been laid out before, the most logical charge here is accessory and in Alabama they need to confirm intent. Without knowing his state of mind (or anything to contradict him saying he was ignorant) it likely seems too difficult to win at trial and thus they are not charging.
Not saying this justifies anyone’s behavior here and there is still a lot of unknowns (especially what everyone did after the shooting) but his reading of the text is not an absolute ‘win’ in either direction.
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Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:45 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Miller's attorney said Miles texted him and asked Miller to bring him his gun.
Okay. And...?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:46 am to RollTide1987
I never saw or handled the chainsaw in my backseat this morning
Today I learned that means I had no idea it’s back there
Today I learned that means I had no idea it’s back there
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:46 am to Jon Ham
nm
(wrond thread)
(wrond thread)
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 8:48 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:47 am to RollTide1987
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Okay. And...?
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:48 am to RollTide1987
quote:huh? Are you under the impression I am the Tuscaloosa County DA? I am not. I was just responding to your question asking me if I had evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
Then charge him.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 8:48 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:48 am to SingleMalt1973
Last time I checked it's perfectly legal to bring someone's firearm back to them upon request. You're assuming he knew something was going down. Miller has claimed he didn't know there was an altercation ongoing. It's up to you to prove that he did.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:51 am to MondayNightPavs
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This has been laid out before, the most logical charge here is accessory and in Alabama they need to confirm intent.
If it is known that he read that text, intent is crystal clear.
Miller's own lawyer makes it sound like he read the text.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:51 am to pioneerbasketball
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Can someone translate for us white people
"I need my gat, see. There's a goon giving me lip, see. Tha dirty rat."
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:51 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Let me reach out to the Tuscaloosa PD and let them know there is a fashion expert on the internet
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:53 am to RollTide1987
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Last time I checked it's perfectly legal to bring someone's firearm back to them upon request. You're assuming he knew something was going down. Miller has claimed he didn't know there was an altercation ongoing. It's up to you to prove that he did.
I don’t care if he committed a crime, but his involvement with transporting a loaded weapon to a person he knew was out drinking at 145 am that ends with a dead woman is not the judgement of a person that should be anywhere near a college basketball court. The fact that UA is fine with that speaks to the integrity of the school.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:55 am to RollTide1987
quote:It is not.
It's up to you to prove that he did.
However, here is what has been reported and not disputed:
1. Miles has a verbal altercation with the victim’s boyfriend.
2. He texted Miller to bring his joint b/c a n-word was fakin
3. Shortly after that text was sent, Miller arrives with a gun in the back seat of his car.
4. With Miller in the car, Miles and Davis go into the back seat and discuss the location of the gun and that there is a bullet in the chamber
5. Seconds later Davis exits Miller’s car and shoots at least 8 rounds killing Harris.
6. Miller’s windshield is hit with two rounds from either Davis or return fire from the boyfriend.
7. Miller fled the scene.
That is enough for PC for an arrest and charge.
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 9:00 am
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:55 am to imjustafatkid
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quote:The technology exists to know whether or not he viewed this text. And he willingly gave the police his phone, so they know. It's pretty clear he didn't know what was going on.
That’s correct. Once the police downloaded his phone they knew the answer before he was ever asked to see if he would lie. Obviously his answer and the phone read message line up.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 8:55 am to RollTide1987
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You're assuming he knew something was going down. Miller has claimed he didn't know there was an altercation ongoing. It's up to you to prove that he did.
If he read that text, he knew there was an altercation ongoing.
Read miller's lawyer's statement. He knew about the text.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:01 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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If it is known that he read that text, intent is crystal clear.
I have to disagree. Personally, yes, I too would assume a situation where someone saying I need my gun because there’s a guy acting like a jackass is likely going to escalate the situation if I bring the gun.
However, who’s to say I didn’t think my friend was in danger and he needed his gun for self defense. If I had to guess this is why they are not charging based on the text issue alone, it’s not cut and dry enough. Intent is key, did Miller know Miles intended to use the gun to murder someone, can that be proven?
Again I am not saying he is an angel and I certainly think the school mishandled this, but I just don’t think the text issue alone is enough of a smoking gun.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:04 am to MondayNightPavs
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However, who’s to say I didn’t think my friend was in danger and he needed his gun for self defense.
Call,the cops then or text back just leave. The police response time around the strip has got to be less than 5 mins.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:08 am to Jon Ham
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No, it’s not clear at all, because we have no confirmation as to whether he read the text message prior to delivering the gun nor has there been any confirmation as to whether anyone has even inquired into this question.
Yes it is, because he hasn't been charged with anything.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:12 am to imjustafatkid
Who knew there were so many junior detectives on this site? Maybe this kit will help you guys crack the case. Clearly the police and DA can't handle it alone.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:12 am to imjustafatkid
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Yes it is, because he hasn't been charged with anything.
This is the whole deal right here.
It is possible the police know he read the text and, for improper reasons, are not charging him.
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:12 am to SingleMalt1973
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Call,the cops then or text back just leave. The police response time around the strip has got to be less than 5 mins.
Yes that is the smart choice and what he should have done. But there is a difference between making a stupid choice and committing a crime. Based on the text alone, if I had to guess, they do not feel they can confirm intent and thus did not charge.
This does not mean he is exonerated, it doesn’t mean he behaved wisely. As I said there are a lot of other unknowns that need to be filled in, but I just don’t see the text alone being enough for criminal charges. School discipline on the other hand… that’s a different story. .
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