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re: Texas AM endowment supremacy challenged

Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:27 pm to
Posted by JayAg
Member since Jun 2021
14450 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:27 pm to
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According to the American Council on Education, the defintion of a college endowment is this: "an aggregation of assets invested by a college or university to support its educational and re- search mission in perpetuity." They go on further to say: "An institution's endowment actually comprises hundreds or thousands of individual donations."


Stole the quoted from a 247 horn tread bragging about their endorsements compared to SEC schools, here are the stats they posted on % of total endowments:

quote:

Texas 31.9 47%
Texas A&M 13.5 20%
Vanderbilt 6.2 9%
Oklahoma 2.7 4%
Florida 1.8 3%
Missouri 1.7 2%
Alabama 1.5 2%
Kentucky 1.4 2%
Georgia 1.3 2%
Tennessee 1.3 2%
Arkansas 1.2 2%
Auburn 0.793 1%
S.C. 0.788 1%
Ole Miss 0.736 1%
Miss State 0.736 1%
LSU 0.68 1%
Total: 68.233



I hate tu personally, but does Vandy go up? Is the majority of real “endowments” those donated by alumni? I’m actually interested to learn bc we seem low as a conference
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:37 pm to
quote:

Could they ever actually change this and share with the rest of the state public schools like texas tech…university of north texas etc???? It always looked to me like a lot of schools were left with the short stick… but I do not know the ins and outs of this fund.


Yes, the same way A&M was added in.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:41 pm to
Endowment has no effect on athletics but A&M has a hell of a lot more alumni resources than all but a few schools. We have over 500k alumni with a very high average salary per grad, especially for that size. Specifically being the #1 Petroleum Engineering school in the world and having a ridiculous amount of folks who have done well in the O&G business. A&M and Texas are still #1 and 2 in terms of AD Revenue and based on demographics A&M is set to grow exponentially over the next decade and beyond. Texas is capped at 50k students, A&M is pushing 70k and growing.
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3408 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:43 pm to
Not sure what you are trying to point out…
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:47 pm to
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BTW, it's really hard for me to take you seriously on PUF knowledge when you referred to it as the "Public Utility Fund".



Lol, yeah get caught up in that obvious brain glitch while I just ignore you know nothing about transfers vs pledges & a dividend distribution vs principal controlled endowment.

I'd love to hear you share your vast knowledge of the PUF that they taught you in fish camp though.
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

Arkansas 1.2


Arkansas' is 2.6 Billion.

FY 2021
Posted by Jster15
Member since Aug 2019
2529 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 6:57 am to
Congratulations!
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:05 am to
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LSUs endowment is pitiful, hope that changes soon

How would it? People would have to contribute to the academic endowment instead of just the TAF.

LSU is the only university in the country where the athletic endowment is larger than the academic endowment. That's understandable in a state where half the people can't read or write, and those, along with half the people who can, believe that education is a communist plot.

When you ask the average Louisianan, "What is LSU?" They'll tell you, "a football team".
Posted by Jster15
Member since Aug 2019
2529 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:34 am to
lol...you’re too stupid to be an actual Texas grad. Most of the Aggies that contributed to the recent nine year, $4,200,000,000 “Higher Education” campaign, are well versed about the PUF. For the uneducated, that fund raiser came from the alumni. Over 903,000 gifts and donations Not the PUF. However,,the PUF greatly benefits the entire state. Dozens of universities, medical systems, law schools, vet schools, and more. Think about that, the Aggies raised more money on a fund raiser than the total endowment funds of any school in the SEC except Vanderbilt. Compare that to the embarrassing level of support the “flagship” university of Louisiana gets from its alumni and fan base. Educating people, benefiting society the Aggies do well at. Being a farm team of the NFL, not so well. Those football players thinking of life after football will do much better with an opportunity at Texas A&M.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
37621 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:41 am to
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They should spend a little of that on football before they get here because they suck lately.


I don't believe you understand how an endowment works and what the money is for.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29286 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:45 am to
quote:

”Fossil fuels are a part of the natural resources portfolio and that portfolio played a very insignificant part of the growth in increasing Vanderbilt’s endowment— almost 5 percent,” Moravec said. “Instead of investing in an industry that is collectively harming all of society, which will ultimately hurt all investments in the future, Vanderbilt should divest.”


Then you morons that believe propaganda and lies will never surpass us.
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5366 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 7:55 am to
They like their program like they like their men. Well-endowed.
Posted by HombreDoce
Member since Jul 2019
193 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:53 am to
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lol...you’re too stupid to be an actual Texas grad. Most of the Aggies that contributed to the recent nine year, $4,200,000,000 “Higher Education” campaign, are well versed about the PUF. For the uneducated, that fund raiser came from the alumni. Over 903,000 gifts and donations Not the PUF. However,,the PUF greatly benefits the entire state. Dozens of universities, medical systems, law schools, vet schools, and more. Think about that, the Aggies raised more money on a fund raiser than the total endowment funds of any school in the SEC except Vanderbilt. Compare that to the embarrassing level of support the “flagship” university of Louisiana gets from its alumni and fan base. Educating people, benefiting society the Aggies do well at. Being a farm team of the NFL, not so well. Those football players thinking of life after football will do much better with an opportunity at Texas A&M.


Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14181 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 8:57 am to
That's impressive.
Posted by JJxvi
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2011
447 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:00 am to
Accurate headline would be "value of $1 dollar plummets, now would cost more of them to buy Vanderbilt's endowment"
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 9:02 am
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14181 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:04 am to
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That's understandable in a state where half the people can't read or write, and those, along with half the people who can, believe that education is a communist plot.





Research, bro...Any illiteracy is bad, but come on...


U.S. literacy rates by state


Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:17 am to
quote:

quote:
BTW, it's really hard for me to take you seriously on PUF knowledge when you referred to it as the "Public Utility Fund".



Lol, yeah get caught up in that obvious brain glitch while I just ignore you know nothing about transfers vs pledges & a dividend distribution vs principal controlled endowment.

I'd love to hear you share your vast knowledge of the PUF that they taught you in fish camp though.


I enjoy politics and understanding how things work. Once again though this stuff is boring AF to most people, especially those from other SEC schools on a football board where it has nothing to do with athletics.

All the info on the PUF is publicly available. It's not hard to find. BTW, it takes a Constitutional Amendment to add or change who gets PUF money and to significantly change it, it isn't just at the whims of the Legislature. Since part of that is a 2/3rds vote of said Leg there is no freaking way with A&M and Texas' combined political power that any change that works against those 2 schools will happen. A&M and Texas hate each other in a lot of ways but the schools actually work together politically on virtually all issues as it benefits them both to effectively control policy, they even have an "Orange and Maroon Day" at the beginning of every Legislative session where reps from both schools together visit every Leg member to remind them of this and what they are looking for in that session.

FWIW both schools really don't rely on the PUF for funding as much as they used to, it's really just for building and infrastructure. Both schools have grown enormously rich outside of the PUF but the PUF is a huge security blanket for both. They haven't taken distributions from the principal in nearly a century. Mainly that PUF money is a monster advantage for both schools because they have that reserve always there that dwarfs other Public Universities. As I said earlier the irony is it is actually undervalued significantly, it is actually worth a lot more if it took current market value to look at what it is worth. It's basically 2.1 million acres of land in West Texas that is loaded with minerals and O&G. They gave it to the PUF long ago when that land was seen as worthless because it was dry and had no timber, basically you could just use it for grazing if you didn't get Indians or cattle rustlers stealing it. Then after the turn of the century when they figured out what was underneath it was literally better than a goldmine.
Posted by Texaggie96
Member since Dec 2018
1381 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:23 am to
LSU Alumni have been donating, it's just going to take time to translate all those food stamps to actual money.
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
46603 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:30 am to
quote:

According to the 2021 Vanderbilt Financial Report, this rise is mainly attributed to Vanderbilt’s increase in investment in fiscal year (FY) 2021 compared to FY 2020. The university invested $3,919 million more in 2021 than in 2020, a 56 percent increase in investments.


So over half their money wasn't even invested?

Vandy's new investment consultant.

Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
35556 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 9:32 am to
quote:

LSU Alumni have been donating, it's just going to take time to translate all those food stamps to actual money.


Crazy how food stamps can get you one of the best seasons of all time in Baton Rouge. If not, the best ever.


It must be a program thing since aggy is tossing gold at 8&4 annually.

Now do you see how stupid you sound ?
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