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re: Tennessee AD Danny White releases statement, goes HAM on NCAA

Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by LewEvansFan
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:27 pm to
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The NCAA has access as well and believes there is something. As history has shown us, saying "We thought it's okay" is not a defense that works for a school when dealing with a violation. If the NCAA finds the school was supposed to suspend a player for a pay for play NIL deal and failed to do so, the NCAA is supposed to sanction the school. The AD's opinion doesn't matter. And the reality is nobody is actually trying to claim that Nico wasn't paid to attend UT. They're just trying to claim that it's okay to do so. The NCAA bylaws are quite clear that it's not okay.


You aren’t listening. They are quoting the changes to how collectives are viewed. Read Danny White’s statement on the matter. They found nothing associated to UT.
Posted by Smokeys Howl
Member since Oct 2022
1985 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:28 pm to
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First, irregardless is not a word and you sound stupid when you use it


Late to the party, I see.

Well, no one ever said Gumps were smart.
Posted by LewEvansFan
Member since Mar 2023
2856 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:28 pm to
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First, irregardless is not a word and you sound stupid when you use it because if it was a word, it would mean the exact same thing as regardless.


Dumbass. He was making fun of djsdumbdawg for his use of the fake word.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30319 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:32 pm to
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The excitement of someone dropping a bag of cash to help his team win has to be a huge thrill, but once that wears off are they willing to do that ad nauseum? Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions — year, after year, after year.
Personally, I don’t see Mr. Billionaire continuing to drop millions upon millions on NIL while he watches the very players he paid for transfer out and go to a rival school to play ball.

I don’t see Mr. Billionaire forking out millions in NIL and then his school passes the hat and wants him to pony up for facility upgrades or open his wallet for a coaches expensive buyout. There’s only so many times a school and program can go to the same well.
Posted by Smokeys Howl
Member since Oct 2022
1985 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:35 pm to
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There’s only so many times a school and program can go to the same well.


So the problem will correct itself.

Cool.

But we're still gonna spank the NCAA's azz.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9471 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:38 pm to
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Probably not a coincidence that John Ruiz is currently facing federal (civil and criminal) investigation.


That won't stop the money from flowing at Miami.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
16356 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:39 pm to
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I like making Tennessee and a few select others examples. UT and Florida way over offered for mid quarterbacks. Their desperation can’t effectively become market making in the new ecosystem. Mid programs can’t crash the market with unsustainable contracts to achieve temporary success.


I’m sorry Bama fans are too poor to compete in the NIL era. Because your post comes off as whining more than it did in your head.

As your your hubris, Bama gets smack down historically every decade or so and is overdue.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
23029 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:43 pm to
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Dumbass. He was making fun of djsdumbdawg for his use of the fake word.


Ok, I don't read most of the people on this forum, so my bad.

Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9471 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:44 pm to
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Did the players visit the campus and meet with coaches on his dime?

I wouldn’t assume it’s okay. Clocks ticking on them.


If you've ever been to Miami you know who else is bankrolling things. It's the group we can't mention.
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
11494 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:46 pm to
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It's the group we can't mention.
Those damn Cuban ex-pats.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9471 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:47 pm to
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Those damn Cuban ex-pats.


We can mention them. But, not that other group.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
23029 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:48 pm to
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I’m sorry Bama fans are too poor to compete in the NIL era. Because your post comes off as whining more than it did in your head.

As your your hubris, Bama gets smack down historically every decade or so and is overdue.


Hey everyone, did you hear Tennessee got a 5 star QB? First time in history anyone has ever done it.



Maybe bring in a top10 class, then talk shite?
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
36751 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:51 pm to
Death penalty incoming.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
16661 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:55 pm to
It really isn't a fun offseason without some UT tomfoolery. Thanks for the entertainment. I feel another off-season trophy in the works.

Posted by Smokeys Howl
Member since Oct 2022
1985 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 3:55 pm to
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Death penalty incoming.


...for the NCAA

This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4678 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 4:05 pm to
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You aren’t listening. They are quoting the changes to how collectives are viewed. Read Danny White’s statement on the matter. They found nothing associated to UT.


UT (and every school) is required to look over EVERY NIL deal signed by a student-athlete at their university. If those contracts are found to violate a NCAA regulation (for example, if a contract is made in a way that requires a player to attend only one college in order to get paid by the contract), the player must by suspended by the school.

If the school fails to do so, the school gets sanctions for not enforcing the rule.

The NCAA rule isn't specific like a state law is. It says simply this:

"22.01.2 Offers and Inducements. Name, image and likeness activities may not be used as an inducement for an individual to enroll or remain enrolled at a specific institution."

It doesn't talk about specific language in the contract that is prohibited. It says that NOTHING in the contract can be an inducement to enroll or remain at an institution.

While there may also be an attempt to get UT for "booster" stuff, it's foolish to take the AD's word that it's the only thing UT is getting dinged for. Especially since the reports that have come out are talking about "multiple violations" and that the violations are called "name, image and likeness violations". I posted a link to the actual NCAA bylaws on NIL, but I'll do it again here:

LINK

There are only TWO violations included for Name image and likeness.

1 - School fails to suspend a player who doesn't disclose a NIL deal.

2 - School fails to suspend a player who's NIL deal violates NCAA bylaws on NIL deals.

And for #2, this is what is stated must be in a NIL contract.

"(a) Include quid pro quo (e.g., compensation for work performed);

(b) Not be contingent upon initial or continued enrollment at a particular institution (see Bylaw 22.01.2); and

(c) Not be in return for athletic participation or achievement."

So you can see why I keep coming back to pay for play (b and c in the above text). If there is a NIL violation, it's going to be pay for play. And all reports are saying that this involves NIL violations, not just impermissable booster conduct.

Posted by LewEvansFan
Member since Mar 2023
2856 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 4:10 pm to
You are skipping over what I said.

You wrote a whole book and ignored it.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
4678 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 4:18 pm to
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You are skipping over what I said.

You wrote a whole book and ignored it.


I gave what you said a couple of sentences, which is all it was worth.

You think the NCAA charges are only about collectives being labeled as boosters. I pointed out that all the reporting on this states that there are MULTIPLE infractions, most of which are about NIL infractions.

I don't care about the booster thing. The NIL infractions are what I "wrote a book about". That's because they are what will fix the NIL mess we have now. The collective/booster thing is unimportant to college football as a whole and aren't NIL infractions. The NIL infractions are the game changer.

I'm sorry it's your team getting dinged, but enforcing the NIL bylaws on pay to play (basically the only infraction in the NIL bylaws) is going to fix the major issue with NIL.
Posted by Smokeys Howl
Member since Oct 2022
1985 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 4:23 pm to
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You wrote a whole book and ignored it.


Surely you didn't read any of that wall-o-text.

I just scrolled on by.
Posted by LewEvansFan
Member since Mar 2023
2856 posts
Posted on 2/1/24 at 4:24 pm to
You still are ignoring it. It’s completely covered by Danny White’s statement. This is SOLELY and issue with Spyre and how they are retroactively classifying collectives as a booster.
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