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re: Tennessee AD Danny White releases statement, goes HAM on NCAA
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:04 pm to nicholastiger
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:04 pm to nicholastiger
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100% did not pay their fr qb recruit $8 million dollars before he proves himself on college level
Apparently the main bone of contention is his flying on a boosters private jet before signing with UT. That ain't got a thing in the world to do with NIL, that is, was and always has been a recruiting violation. The only question I see is if the courts agree that the NCAA can regulate college football. Given that, narrowly defined, membership in the NCAA is voluntary (in practical application it is not voluntary but UT has always agreed to be subject to NCAA regulation) couple with very public statements from all programs, UT included, voicing desire that someone regulate college football UT could be in a tight spot. Its painfully obvious they are being made a scapegoat of BUT someone usually is a scapegoat in times of drastic change.
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:04 pm to David Ricky
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I knew the French were involved back then, didn't realize it was as a mustard conglomerate.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:06 pm to paperwasp
Damn, that's crazy. Death penalty for Mizzou incoming
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:07 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
We should all be rooting for Tennessee in this!! For too long, some programs have bowed to the NCAA, have openly shared infractions, cooperated, only to get hammered. Meanwhile you have minimal fallout from the Adidas hoops scandal, fake classes at UNC, and beyond. The NCAA mission is to "Provide a world-class athletics and academic experience for student-athletes that fosters lifelong well-being." They use this type of BS to justify their existence. We need to support the Vol's in this fight...if their NIL collective is truly providing $8MM+ to single athletes, good for them!!
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:10 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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UT and Florida way over offered for mid quarterbacks
Don't forget about Miami.
Probably not a coincidence that John Ruiz is currently facing federal (civil and criminal) investigation.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:12 pm to geauxcoco
Y’all are fricking delusional if you think this ends well for the NCAA.
The most likely scenario is the NCAA drops all investigation into UT/NIL to avoid the lawsuit and attempts to restructure NIL. Worst case, they go to court and have their balls chopped off for good.
The most likely scenario is the NCAA drops all investigation into UT/NIL to avoid the lawsuit and attempts to restructure NIL. Worst case, they go to court and have their balls chopped off for good.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:13 pm to BIGFOOD
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watched some sports show yesterday and they said that the NCAA have over a dozen programs they are snooping around on and trying to find something to dig up regarding NIL/recruiting.
I hope the TN/Virginia lawsuits gains steam and more programs/AG's join the lawsuit or file their own.
The NCAA has to end, imo
I tend to agree BUT the CFB world does not...almost no one in any position to make decisions at any program has not expressed some desire for some regulation....its hard to say you want a speed limit and then when the cops post a speed limit to whine about a speed limit and not come off as disingenuous...If the NCAA is not in a position to regulate college athletics as a VOLUNTARY "club" who will be? If the answer is no one....and that's what it is right now...it not a good look to simultaneously complain about the lack of regulation. The road seems like it may be the federal government who eventually steps in...anyone who prefers to the NCAA is a fool. If it is not the federal government or state government (which would be an even larger fiasco with 50 different sets of rules) it will be another version of the NCAA. The name will have changed but eventually every vestige of the NCAA will be reinvented.
To compare the situation to politics if you talk to a libertarian or an anarchist who is not totally insane long enough, if you have the stomach for such abuse, you will find that they would reinvent EVERY vestige of our current system of rules and regulations in their entirety...only it would have been their idea. That seems to be where we are going with the NCAA.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:14 pm to paperwasp
Good for Tennessee's AD. frick the NCAA. Crooked fricks.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:15 pm to paperwasp
I'm glad the NCAA is going after someone.
The big problem with NIL is that it's used for recruiting. NIL contracts are by rule not supposed to be dependent upon attending a certain school. It's one of the few regulations that exist for NIL
Tennessee openly bragged about offering a player millions out of high school to attend their college. If it were working as intended, the player would get the money regardless of where they attend school... because their being paid for their advertising potential, not their joining a particular team.
That's obviously not how things are working. But if the NCAA can show some teeth and change NIL to NOT be pay for play (since the rules say that's not allowed) that would be nothing but a good thing.
Now does UT have a valid complaint that everyone is cheating so they shouldn't be singled out? Sure. But it doesn't change the fact that pay to play IS against the rules. Enforcing that rule should happen as soon as possible.
The big problem with NIL is that it's used for recruiting. NIL contracts are by rule not supposed to be dependent upon attending a certain school. It's one of the few regulations that exist for NIL
Tennessee openly bragged about offering a player millions out of high school to attend their college. If it were working as intended, the player would get the money regardless of where they attend school... because their being paid for their advertising potential, not their joining a particular team.
That's obviously not how things are working. But if the NCAA can show some teeth and change NIL to NOT be pay for play (since the rules say that's not allowed) that would be nothing but a good thing.
Now does UT have a valid complaint that everyone is cheating so they shouldn't be singled out? Sure. But it doesn't change the fact that pay to play IS against the rules. Enforcing that rule should happen as soon as possible.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:16 pm to DawginSC
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the player would get the money regardless of where they attend school
He can. He just has to make regular appearances around Knoxville for autograph signings and interviews.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:16 pm to paperwasp
The rules regarding boosters are not new, and they aren't "old" as in they were no longer in effect. They never got rid of those rules, nor was anyone ever told they were gone.
I told people on this forum years ago that boosters being involved in NIL collectives was going to be an infraction, and that it was already against the rules.
I just don't know what took the NCAA so long to start enforcing the rules, or why they are being so selective. A&M should have been one of the first to get hit with this.
Now here is Tennessee crying because they can't use the NIL as a scheme for pay to play. Trying to play ignorant, and yet in this statement from Danny White, he basically admits guilt, only blaming the rules for it.
Finally the NCAA is attempting to reign these things in, I just hope it's not a matter of too little, too late.
I told people on this forum years ago that boosters being involved in NIL collectives was going to be an infraction, and that it was already against the rules.
I just don't know what took the NCAA so long to start enforcing the rules, or why they are being so selective. A&M should have been one of the first to get hit with this.
Now here is Tennessee crying because they can't use the NIL as a scheme for pay to play. Trying to play ignorant, and yet in this statement from Danny White, he basically admits guilt, only blaming the rules for it.
Finally the NCAA is attempting to reign these things in, I just hope it's not a matter of too little, too late.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:17 pm to paperwasp
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Don't forget about Miami.
Probably not a coincidence that John Ruiz is currently facing federal (civil and criminal) investigation.
Miami's punishment is knowing that no matter how many 5*s Ruiz buys for Cristobal it will never make a difference because he's just a recruiting coordinator/OL coach.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:18 pm to paperwasp
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As far as I know, one of the only rules in any of this is that NIL is not supposed to be used for recruiting, and yet literally every single program in America seems to be doing just that (and somewhat openly talking about it).
It's like a speed trap where every car is flying by doing 70 in a 35, and they're just sitting there trying to decide who they want to pop.
Spot on analogy...and UT is the one who got popped and like anyone of us in their position are thrashing about for answers. You can not have regulation on one hand (reigning in NIL and the portal) and not have a regulating body. Life, unfortunately, does not work that way.
The NCAA has no doubt targeted UT. They are being used as the scapegoat....that is, in my mind, without question. It is not, however, happening in a Vacuum. UT is already being punished for cheating....this is their second time being popped doing 70 in a 35....and like any regulator one time could be a mistake, twice in just a short period of time is a pattern of thumbing your nose at the regulator.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:18 pm to LewEvansFan
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The most likely scenario is the NCAA drops all investigation into UT/NIL to avoid the lawsuit and attempts to restructure NIL.
NCAA cannot allow discovery. This is a bluff, and they picked UT because the LAST time they came after us, we groveled. That's the only reason we were picked. They knew they were bluffing and were hoping their bluff wouldn't get called.
It's been called. And the NCAA knows it cannot allow discovery. To do so would be to end their power over college athletics once and for all.
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Worst case, they go to court and have their balls chopped off for good.
Which is exactly why they'll drop the 'investigation'. They have to.
And oh, the melt around here from the short-sighted posters hoping beyond hope that they won't have to face Nico will be glorious.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:18 pm to MIZ58
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their NIL collective is providing $8MM+ to single athletes
I think maybe where the NCAA messed up initially is by not considering an earnings cap.
I know it's hard to gauge where that should be, people are still going to cheat, it's a free country, etc., but I think the wild variance between top and bottom tier programs will eventually cause even more of a competitive imbalance.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:18 pm to Robot Santa
Just like Will Wade and LSU hoops in the FBI scandal when 100% of tournament teams were doing same thing
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:19 pm to paperwasp
The NCAA will have a pretty hard time in court explaining why they let Kansas and the biggest cheater in college basketball skate, and then why they randomly went after other P5 schools after NIL.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:19 pm to MIZ58
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We should all be rooting for Tennessee in this!! For too long, some programs have bowed to the NCAA, have openly shared infractions, cooperated, only to get hammered. Meanwhile you have minimal fallout from the Adidas hoops scandal, fake classes at UNC, and beyond. The NCAA mission is to "Provide a world-class athletics and academic experience for student-athletes that fosters lifelong well-being." They use this type of BS to justify their existence. We need to support the Vol's in this fight...if their NIL collective is truly providing $8MM+ to single athletes, good for them!!
The supreme court ruled in favor of NIL, not pay to play.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:20 pm to paperwasp
I wish this is the approach Ole Miss took a few years back instead of Ross Bjork's dumb arse trying to get exemplary cooperation. The NCAA enforcement wing is pond scum. They hammered us on things that ended up losing in a real court of law... but we still had the lost revenue of bowl bans, coaching losses, recruiting down turn, and vacated wins. I want our wins back.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:20 pm to 3down10
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The supreme court ruled in favor of NIL, not pay to play
UT paid him 8 million? Really?
Explain. I mean, if your fingers (which are trembling at the prospect of facing Nico) can even type.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 2:22 pm
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