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re: Tennessee AD Danny White releases statement, goes HAM on NCAA
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:20 pm to paperwasp
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:20 pm to paperwasp
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I think maybe where the NCAA messed up initially is by not considering an earnings cap.
No chance that would stand up. Courts would strike that down in a nanosecond.
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Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:21 pm to Smokeys Howl
He’s trolling, no point. He hasn’t seen Spyre’s contract.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:22 pm to jsmoove
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The NCAA will have a pretty hard time in court explaining why they let Kansas and the biggest cheater in college basketball skate
The FBI gave them cover to do so when they described KU as a “victim” in the Adidas scandal.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:22 pm to nicholastiger
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Just like Will Wade and LSU hoops in the FBI scandal when 100% of tournament teams were doing same thing
100% of schools weren't doing what Will Wade was doing. frick outta here. Look at Pearl's roster. Who'd he outright buy while still under intense scrutiny from the NCAA and media?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:24 pm to nicholastiger
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100% did not pay their fr qb recruit $8 million dollars before he proves himself on college level
Florida had a 13,000,000 check bounce before a QB set foot on campus. 2 million a year for 4 years for a guy to do commercials and events isn’t a payment from a school.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:25 pm to LewEvansFan
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He can. He just has to make regular appearances around Knoxville for autograph signings and interviews.
And that's where the contracts need to be regulated more to not allow pay to play to happen without it being spelled out as pay to play.
It's not hard to look at a contractual requirement like that and say "No, that's pay to play".
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:26 pm to Smokeyone
It’s so weird that UT hasn’t been involved with any of the events Nico has been at the last year. Why are they holding these off campus at local businesses since UT is paying him? 
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:26 pm to 3down10
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I just don't know what took the NCAA so long to start enforcing the rules, or why they are being so selective. A&M should have been one of the first to get hit with this.
As bad a con man as Jimbo IS he knew to call foul when Saban called him out on it...deflect, deny, lie, NEVER confess and no matter how red-handed you are act as if you did nothing at all wrong. It works almost every time if you have the money (ATM does) and the connections (ATM does). Unfortunately for Tennessee they are a real program with a real AD...they don't have a con man running the show who understands that when you break the law it makes no matter if it is a big one or a little one...always maintain you did not. UT took the high road last time around, as they should have ethically, but logistically Jimbo knew all along if you lie long enough it will eventually become the truth. Sounds like UT is adapting that strategy but it may be too little too late.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:26 pm to LewEvansFan
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He just has to make regular appearances around Knoxville for autograph signings and interviews.
Exactly. It’s amazing to me that people still don’t understand the language that is used in these contracts.
This post was edited on 2/1/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:27 pm to DawginSC
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And that's where the contracts need to be regulated more to not allow pay to play to happen without it being spelled out as pay to play. It's not hard to look at a contractual requirement like that and say "No, that's pay to play".
It’s not pay to play. You can’t enforce that. It is what it is. It’s a loophole and they have no legal recourse.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:30 pm to 3down10
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The supreme court ruled in favor of NIL, not pay to play.
As far as I understand it the courts have never heard a case where a booster provided benefits directly to a prospect the boosters school was recruiting. I seriously doubt given the combination of membership in the NCAA is voluntary and based on agreeing to NCAA rules and NCAA punishment the courts automatically side with UT. The question, from my understanding, is the use of a private jet to facilitate recruiting...that has ALWAYS been a NCAA violation. Tennessee is not stupid, they knew it has always been...they were gambling on the NCAA not having any enforcement power...and they are most likely right...but if they ain't they are in SMU territory and it ain't gonna be pretty
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:30 pm to boston vol
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Courts would strike that down
True, it would appear to be an antitrust violation, but since technically the players aren't employees of the institutions, I don't how that would be structured anyway.
Which is probably the next logical step (employees), which will lead to players' unions and bargaining, which will finally end any semblance of amateurism and change all of college football as we know it.
What a timeline to be living in!
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:32 pm to DawginSC
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And that's where the contracts need to be regulated more to not allow pay to play to happen without it being spelled out as pay to play.
So you want to do away with NIL? A bit late for that. You want to regulate it? What agency to you want owning a student’s nana image and likeness? The government? That would be ignorant of reality. The NCAA? They have proven inept.
The only way to regulate NIL would be for an agency to buy the NIL rights from each student athlete.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:32 pm to AwgustaDawg
Spewing garbage out of your mouth right now.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:33 pm to Smokeyone
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Florida had a 13,000,000 check bounce before a QB set foot on campus. 2 million a year for 4 years for a guy to do commercials and events isn’t a payment from a school.
Has nothing to do with a booster flying a prospect to town for a visit. That is, was and always has been a recruiting violation. The NIL part of it is separate.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:33 pm to Smokeyone
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Florida had a 13,000,000 check bounce before a QB set foot on campus. 2 million a year for 4 years for a guy to do commercials and events isn’t a payment from a school.
The big difference there is UF didn't actually pay him. The check bounced.
UT did. If the NCAA can enforce regulation that don't allow players to be paid to attend school (which IS against the rules of NIL), it's a good thing. If this goes well, the ones who get busted will be those who's pay for play was most obvious/over the top. Apparently that might be Tennessee.
If Nico can transfer to Kentucky and keep his NIL deal, then there's no issue. But it sounds like his deal is pretty obviously dependent upon him living in Knoxville/attending UT. And that's the sort of thing that needs to be eliminated from NIL.
The NcAA needs to go after schools paying transfers or high school players to come play for their school. That is expressly forbidden by the NIL rules. Tennessee's excuse is "The rules have loop holes we're using and everyone else is doing it too."
They aren't denying they paid him to play for their school. And since NIL is not supposed to allow that, I hope they get penalized for it so that it no longer happens in NIL. That will fix the NIL mess we're in now.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:34 pm to LewEvansFan
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Spyre did.
Are you talking about the Vol boosters who run spyre?
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:35 pm to DawginSC
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If Nico can transfer to Kentucky and keep his NIL deal, then there's no issue. But it sounds like his deal is pretty obviously dependent upon him living in Knoxville/attending UT. And that's the sort of thing that needs to be eliminated from NIL. The NcAA needs to go after schools paying transfers or high school players to come play for their school. That is expressly forbidden by the NIL rules. Tennessee's excuse is "The rules have loop holes we're using and everyone else is doing it too."
Once again, the NCAA cannot restrict NIL. Courts have already decided. They have no way around collectives wording contracts in such way.
Posted on 2/1/24 at 2:36 pm to 3down10
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The supreme court ruled in favor of NIL, not pay to play.
This is false. The court ruled that the athletes must be fairly compensated.
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